Brabham BT29 - Page 9

MarcGiroux · 11 Dec 2007, 23:55 (Ref:2086904)

David,
good to hear from you! Didn't realize you had moved from near Summit Point to Colorado. Let me see if I can figure out the following bits of info:
-Who Lowell sold his car to (I think it left the US)
-The chassis number on the Goeldner/Cunningham car (it is now red and white; ran with him at Grattan last summer)
-the chassis number on the McLaughlin/Blacker car.

I think I saw that Mershon sold BT-29-46. I will see if I can find out to whom. David, didn't you do the restoration on that car as well?

Marc

Chris Townsend · 12 Dec 2007, 06:59 (Ref:2087023)

BT29-36 now with Ray Stubber

Chris

David Irwin · 13 Dec 2007, 03:03 (Ref:2087633)

Marc,

Nice to hear from you as well.

I only reconstructed the frame, Marty did his own restoration.

David Irwin
Evergreen, CO

MarcGiroux · 13 Dec 2007, 23:52 (Ref:2088296)

BT-29-36 was indeed sold to Ray Stubber in Australia.

I don’t yet have the chassis number of the Goeldner/Cunningham car; the frame number is AM 69/52.

BT-29-15 which was in the hands of Blacker then McLaughlin was recently sold to Sasco Sports (Dave Handy) The frame number is AM69/72

Marc

Andrew Fellowes · 14 Dec 2007, 00:46 (Ref:2088327)

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarcGiroux

BT-29-15 which was in the hands of Blacker then McLaughlin was recently sold to Sasco Sports (Dave Handy) The frame number is AM69/72
Marc

Marc thats is very interesting. David Kent has a chassis here in Oz that we had narrowed down to either BT29-15 or BT29-16. I think one was ex Jay Jamison and the other ex Graham Baker and its Graham's car that we think is here.
So this if true, means that Dave Handy's is ex Jamison. Now I have found Jay on a racing forum but he hasn't replied to a couple of PM's.
Now the one bit that is odd but not impossible is the AM number of BT29-15, that's way out of sequence.
Andrew

MarcGiroux · 14 Dec 2007, 01:53 (Ref:2088352)

Andrew,
I can't explain the AM number on BT-29-15. Dave Handy has the car in his shop and he read it off for me. I will keep my eyes open this next season for numbers on Brabhams at events I go to here in the states and gather up whatever I can.
Here is a link to a picture from the Mid Ohio event last year. All the cars are Formula B's except for the one BT-30 in the back. Several of the cars we have been talking about are here: Orange Car 75 is the Mershon car, Red in the front row is Blacker, mine is blue with yellow stripe in the center.

Marc

MarcGiroux · 14 Dec 2007, 11:16 (Ref:2088661)

Whoops, left out the link:
http://www.svra.com/SVRA/photogal.ns...ks/SVRA-74QTL9

Andrew Fellowes · 13 Jan 2008, 23:56 (Ref:2105595)

Gary Dausch's cars;

1.
BT29-3 AM69-30
Gary Dausch with bi-plane wings, sold to Dan Dubrovich NY, to Antonio Sabato, Canada, to Mike McLaughlin, Colorado.

2.
BT29-43 AM70-118 Opert to Roger Seachrist, Gary Dausch, Dave Veghar

3.
BT29-25 AM69-5X
1970 Tim Schenken, Sebring
1970-74 Harry Reynolds
Larry Yeagher to Gary Dausch to James King

4.
BT29-?? AM70-93 Gary Dausch to Tim Gaffney to Bruce LaBona to Marc Giroux.

5.
BT29-32 AM69-72
Mike Freeman
Alec Veranac,
Gary Dausch to Joe Blacker (his 2nd was BT29-2) to?

some of my notes don't compute with this!
Andrew

Andrew Fellowes · 14 Jan 2008, 21:53 (Ref:2106194)

Quote:

4.
BT29-?? AM70-93 Gary Dausch to Tim Gaffney to Bruce LaBona to Marc Giroux.

When Gary Dausch bought BT29-43 (early-to mid 1980's) this was a spare bent chassis that came with it. To keep track of it Gary called it BT29-43R1. It's just possible it was the original frame for #43 but I think unlikely for a couple of reasons.

So Marc do you have any ideas? BT29-40 perhaps? I guess a look at BT29-43's previous owners might help!!!!!!

Andrew

MarcGiroux · 16 Jan 2008, 03:12 (Ref:2107021)

Andrew,
When I researched the car a bit in 2000 before buying it, I spoke with Bobby Adkins in Indianapolis who had done work on the car. He didn't mention anything of the history before Gary had the car, other than that he thought it had only been run 5 or 6 times from new before Gary tore it down and had Bobby start the restoration (new uprights, steering rack, rotors,). He said the "frame had one little ding in it, a $30 job". Bobby said he tried to buy it from Gary, but he didn't want to sell it. Gary did eventually sell it to Gaffney. Gaffney and Blacker bought this car and a complete BT-29 (which I believe to be the one now owned by Handy) as a pair. Gaffney finished the restoration, never drove the car, sold it to Lobona who drove it 5 weekends or so, who sold it to me.
That is the story I got when I bought the car (still have all my notes).
As I mentioned, as I travel around this season I will find out what I can about the BT-29's I see. Vegher's is one that I don't beleive I have ever seen on the East Coast.

Chris Townsend · 9 Feb 2008, 14:42 (Ref:2124910)

Found an ad by Gary Dausch in Autoweek 4 Jan 82 selling two BT29s

One is described as two time SCCA national champ, which I guess must be Reynolds's FC spec 29-25 and the other as 'original Canadian FB pro car'

Chris

Andrew Fellowes · 19 Mar 2008, 22:01 (Ref:2156787)

Quote:

Originally Posted by allenbrown

Mike Hiss (32 Indy/USAC appearances, drove a Hayes BT29 once in 1970 and once in 1971)

Jay Jamison says that the car Mike Hiss drove in 1971 was his car that he had sold back to Charlie Hayes. This suggests that it was either #15 or #16, and solving that would unlock two cars at once.
Andrew

MarcGiroux · 23 May 2008, 01:33 (Ref:2209479)

While at Road America last weekend I took the opportunity to look at the BT-29's there:
James King has Chassis 25 as previously reported on this board. He bought it from Gary Dausch in 1984. James had run it in the 95-2000 time frame with a 1750 BDA in it then parked it. This was the first outing since a fresh restoration with a proper twin cam. The AM number was partially blocked out by a hole drilled in the frame, but was AM ?? / 5? which is consistent with previous info on the board.
Gene Owen had one with no chassis tag and no AM number on the frame.
Dave Handy had the one previously mentioned (Chassis Tag 29-15). He bought the car from McLaughlin, who bought it from Blacker, who bought it from Gary Dausch. The number on the frame is AM 69/72, which does seem out of order.
I will keep my eyes open through the year for other cars I see first hand.'
Marc

Andrew Fellowes · 23 Jun 2008, 22:44 (Ref:2236194)

Quote:

Originally Posted by allenbrown

The only drivers I can find who drove a BT29 and also drove in a Indycar race are:

Mike Hiss (32 Indy/USAC appearances, drove a Hayes BT29 once in 1970 and once in 1971)

Allen I see the 1970 race on ORC as being Sears Point in #14 but what was the 1971 race?
Thanks Andrew

Andrew Fellowes · 24 Jun 2008, 05:56 (Ref:2236315)

BT29-49's AM number would appear to be AM70-125 LW if I read last week's for sale advert correctly by Brad Balles.

Andrew Fellowes · 25 Jun 2008, 05:26 (Ref:2236954)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Fellowes

Allen I see the 1970 race on ORC as being Sears Point in #14 but what was the 1971 race?
Thanks Andrew

oops found it, sorry about that but I see it was a FA & FB race at Laguna 2nd May 1971. I see Allen you have it listed as #14 again does that mean Jay is wrong about Hiss driving his car?
Andrew
http://www.progcovers.com/motor/lagunaseca020571.jpg

allenbrown · 25 Jun 2008, 08:19 (Ref:2237046)

Andrew

The only two races in my database for Hiss in a BT29 are Sears Point 28 Jun 1970 and Laguna Seca 2 May 1971 when I have his entrant as Hayes. Hayes had also entered Hiss's BT15 earlier in 1970.

I would have picked up the identity BT29-14 from this thread or from Chris and may have assumed that his early 1971 car was his mid-1970 car again. What should I correct it to?

Allen

Denis Lupton · 25 Jun 2008, 08:30 (Ref:2237053)

Alan
Do you have any details of the Hayes entered , Mike Hiss driven BT15 ?
Denis

Andrew Fellowes · 25 Jun 2008, 08:38 (Ref:2237058)

Allen I think that #14 could be wrong for Laguna 2nd May 1971 but only if Jay's memory is correct.
I think there is sufficient doubt to delete #14 from this race for the moment. I have been in indirect contact with Mike Hiss today and very sadly he remembers little about driving a Brabham, indeed his intial reaction was that he had never driven a BT29.
Andrew

allenbrown · 25 Jun 2008, 08:39 (Ref:2237060)

Nothing really. Just a DNS at Edmonton 24 May (#4 Charlie Hayes Rac. Equip.) and an early retirement at Seattle 7 Jun (#4 entrant unknown). This may well be the car he used to finish second at Riverside 19 Apr but I don't have any clues to models or entry numbers at that race.

allenbrown · 25 Jun 2008, 08:40 (Ref:2237062)

Andrew - does Mike remember the BT15?

Andrew Fellowes · 25 Jun 2008, 23:12 (Ref:2237651)

Allen pm sent with contact details for Mike Hiss, though sounds like you will be out of luck.
BT29-49 is becoming interesting. Seems like there were two frames, both may survive, and sounds like quite a bit of 1970 records and photos, more to follow shortly I hope!!!

Andrew

Andrew Fellowes · 26 Jun 2008, 00:42 (Ref:2237682)

BT29-49 AM70-125 SCCA 032-047
New to W D (Bill) Roland, Alexandria, LA
crashed badly at Road Atlanta and bought a new frame from Brabham dealer in Ramsey, New Jersey. (any ideas who?)
1973 sold to Mike Calvert plus original frame.
2008 now owned by Brad Balles and for sale.
Information supplied by Brad Balles,

Thanks for your help Brad, This would suggest that what I would regard as the dead frame is now with Rex Thompson.

allenbrown · 26 Jun 2008, 06:13 (Ref:2237737)

Ramsey NJ was Opert wasn't it?

Is AM70-125 the new frame or the original frame?

WD Rowland only appears once in my 1970 FB records but I don't have 1969 yet.

Allen

Andrew Fellowes · 26 Jun 2008, 06:23 (Ref:2237742)

Quote:

Originally Posted by allenbrown

Ramsey NJ was Opert wasn't it?

Is AM70-125 the new frame or the original frame?

WD Rowland only appears once in my 1970 FB records but I don't have 1969 yet.

I understand (read not 100% sure) that AM70-125 is the new frame. I assume Bill Rowland would have bought the car new in 1970?
I am waiting on contact details for him as I understand he has pretty good records, however he is not too well these days.
Andrew

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