Msv & Brscc - Page 9

**Stephen Green** · 16 Dec 2006, 19:23 (Ref:1792267)

They are supporting the A1GP at Brands Ian.

chezza · 16 Dec 2006, 20:07 (Ref:1792286)

They are indeed along with sports2000, and I have to agree with Ian on this one, the interests of the spectators and the racers of EERC are different and I was going to marshal the A1GP meeting, until I saw the support package. I'll be off to the legends at Donington instead.

Simon S · 17 Dec 2006, 08:24 (Ref:1792542)

Quote:

Originally Posted by chezza

They are indeed along with sports2000, and I have to agree with Ian on this one, the interests of the spectators and the racers of EERC are different and I was going to marshal the A1GP meeting, until I saw the support package. I'll be off to the legends at Donington instead.

??

can you explain this? not sure I understand what your point is?

**Stephen Green** · 17 Dec 2006, 08:44 (Ref:1792548)

I think the point here is that endurance racing often has a different set of spectators to shorter races. Endurance racing is not everyone's cup of tea as far as spectating is concerned.

roys1 · 17 Dec 2006, 09:19 (Ref:1792566)

Just so you know the Britcar support races acording to www.eerc.co.uk will be 2 x 50 mins .... the fact now that it is a championship should increase grid numbers and type of cars

Piglet · 17 Dec 2006, 09:31 (Ref:1792580)

could I just make the point that unless I've missed something the EERC are not an Organising Club and do not run race meetings or even bits of race meetings.

**Stephen Green** · 17 Dec 2006, 09:35 (Ref:1792583)

I think they were going down that road a year or two ago, but as an interim measure used to use the BRSCC to organise their meetings?

Rod Birley · 17 Dec 2006, 10:55 (Ref:1792682)

I think EERC will be running their own meetings at Silverstone next year, but obviously using a lot of staff from other clubs.

Piglet · 17 Dec 2006, 13:41 (Ref:1792836)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rod Birley

I think EERC will be running their own meetings at Silverstone next year, but obviously using a lot of staff from other clubs.

They can't hold a permit to run a race meeting unless they are an Organising Club.

**Peter Mallett** · 17 Dec 2006, 13:52 (Ref:1792840)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ian Sowman

the needs of spectators and the EERC competitor base are almost diametrically opposed.

Why is that?

Dave Brand · 17 Dec 2006, 13:52 (Ref:1792841)

Quote:

Originally Posted by chezza

They are indeed along with sports2000, and I have to agree with Ian on this one, the interests of the spectators and the racers of EERC are different and I was going to marshal the A1GP meeting, until I saw the support package. I'll be off to the legends at Donington instead.

Looks like the Oulton EERC 'race' this year will be part of the so-called 'Great & British' package. Now let's see.......EERC & Radical bi-duros at Oulton on the same weekend as the first meeting at the new Anglesey circuit......no contest!
Endurance 'racing'? MSA track days!

kipper · 17 Dec 2006, 15:07 (Ref:1792868)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

Why is that?

I'm guessing that one of the attractions from a competitors point of view for the likes of the EERC's races (and perhaps other clubs that tend to organise longer races) is they offer a competitor a large amount of tracktime for each meeting they attend, which may be a bonus if for some reason a driver is unable to undertake a full championship schedule. Plus, I'd imagine that the longer races offers the opportunities to split some costs with a fellow driver.

I think that from a spectating point there is a perception that longer races result in spread out fields with few battles in the field (I know this isn't always the case - Seventies Saloons at the Top Hat meeting at Mallory to cite a reasonably recent example). Therefore, by placing both types of racing on the same bill, it may lead to dissatisfied spectators (particularly at the larger meetings, such as A1GP) and possibly an alteration to the longer races format to make them more attractive to spectators to the detriment of the competitors' enjoyment.

Simon S · 17 Dec 2006, 15:15 (Ref:1792870)

got to say I dissagree hugely with that veiwpoint...

speaking for myself, I enter Britcar because of the format, I *hate* sprint races, all crash-bash and over in 10 laps...

I personnally much preffer LMP/GT racing, and in recent years, GT is gradually turning into 1 hour sprints etc, so that only leaves Britcar doing the real endurance format.

to my mind this offers a much better format where tactics and teamwork come into play, the perfect training ground for LMP etc. and a far more sociable place than Brit GT (from personal experiance)

from a spectators viewpoint, it's really a case of presentation, people think nothing of a 2 hour F1 race, why then can we not get them to understand a 2 hour Britcar race? (or 24 for that matter?).

Now, I appreciate there are people that don't/can't do endurace races, but the UK is hardly short of places for them to run in sprint races.

JohnMiller · 17 Dec 2006, 17:30 (Ref:1792917)

I'm sure Britcar is exciting to take part in, but it's incredibly boring to watch and very difficult to follow too.

Clearly that's a personal viewpoint but one that is shared by spectators voting with their feet...

Simon S · 17 Dec 2006, 18:48 (Ref:1792960)

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnMiller

I'm sure Britcar is exciting to take part in, but it's incredibly boring to watch and very difficult to follow too.

Clearly that's a personal viewpoint but one that is shared by spectators voting with their feet...

I take it then you don't care for Le-mans/FIA GT/LMS/etc then?

JohnMiller · 17 Dec 2006, 18:56 (Ref:1792964)

Hmm, bit like comparing Monoposto to Grands Prix there.

Simon S · 17 Dec 2006, 19:15 (Ref:1792989)

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnMiller

Hmm, bit like comparing Monoposto to Grands Prix there.

get you!

do I detect a snob?

JohnMiller · 17 Dec 2006, 19:27 (Ref:1792994)

LOL.

Nope, not at all, when was the last time a Fiesta competed in the LMES?

Al Weyman · 17 Dec 2006, 19:50 (Ref:1793007)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Brand

Looks like the Oulton EERC 'race' this year will be part of the so-called 'Great & British' package. Now let's see.......EERC & Radical bi-duros at Oulton on the same weekend as the first meeting at the new Anglesey circuit......no contest!
Endurance 'racing'? MSA track days!

Blimey what with the radicals mini enduros thats one to avoid!

Rod Birley · 18 Dec 2006, 08:38 (Ref:1793322)

According to James Tucker, EERC is now an organising club and will be applying for its own permits. This is what James told me because he wants to save money "hiring in" another club to run HIS meetings.

**Stephen Green** · 18 Dec 2006, 08:40 (Ref:1793323)

He spoke about doing that last year Rod.

Piglet · 18 Dec 2006, 09:32 (Ref:1793338)

That's good if they've got OC status, I haven't seen it announced anywhere.

chezza · 18 Dec 2006, 10:35 (Ref:1793370)

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnMiller

I'm sure Britcar is exciting to take part in, but it's incredibly boring to watch and very difficult to follow too.

Exactly that and its the main reason I don't like endurance racing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simon S

I take it then you don't care for Le-mans/FIA GT/LMS/etc then?

Having made the original comment, no I don't and although I have marshalled them in the past (will try everything once) I won't be doing so this year and will be focusing on the club meetings with the series/championships I enjoy, I've not even volunteered for the GP this year.

And also the comments that have been made go some why to proving that what Matt James was saying is true...the drivers like the longer races but the spectators and that don't.

JimW · 18 Dec 2006, 11:02 (Ref:1793390)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Brand

. . . Endurance 'racing'? MSA track days!

As I have said in other places, there are too many 'races' which look to me like trackdays with timing.

Regards

Jim

Dan Friel · 18 Dec 2006, 12:16 (Ref:1793453)

Club level endurance racing is purely for the competitor (good value for money). It has little interest for your average punter - hence why Combe doesn't seem to want long distance racing at their events.

I personally believe that promoting an EERC race meeting for spectactors will do more harm than good (with the possible exception of the 24 hrs race). Most people want different / exciting 10 races in quick order (i.e. between 1330 - 1745)!

I personally can't imagine why anyone would want to attend a EERC or VW Fun Cup meeting.

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