[Team] Williams: Do they have a spare tub?

[Sandgroper]

Originally Posted by Skam85

I feel like I'm shooting Bambi here but there hasn't been a lot apart from 'past reputation' that Danny Ricc has done to justify a spot in F1 over someone more deserving or promising.

Add K-Mag to the list too I suppose, but he has played a decent team game and nabbed that pole in Brazil

Sadly you are correct.

[GTRMagic]

Sainz To Williams?

Seriously? Are Williams better and/or have better future prospects than Audi-Sauber?

Presumably the Spanish sponsor mafia may join the team, which could be a good thing.

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Seriously? Are Williams better and/or have better future prospects than Audi-Sauber?

Presumably the Spanish sponsor mafia may join the team, which could be a good thing.

Mercedes power unit? Plenty of scuttlebutt around that it'll be good. Maybe Adrian Newey is keen to go back to Williams?

James Vowles' avowed plans to sacrifice this & next year to be competitive in 2026 might appeal if the full back-story is known - struggle to see them sitting at the back forever, but then this IS F1 and everyone is pushing on.

Spanish mafia - Repsol Williams could look pretty good.

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Tourer

Spanish mafia - Repsol Williams could look pretty good.

Santander Bank, Telefonica, Repsol, Estrella Galicia, Mapfre… plenty of space to sell..

[v8supes]

Just posting this Williams documentary from 1993, quite interesting imo.

https://youtu.be/SyveFhUfl2g?si=gWYZ9Rc0CpYCvfcb

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Santander Bank, Telefonica, Repsol, Estrella Galicia, Mapfre… plenty of space to sell..

Repsol Out of Honda MotoGP

Planets aligning?

[Teretonga]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Repsol Out of Honda MotoGP

Planets aligning?

Maybe for Sainz?
Or a Spanish Armada to Aston Martin....

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Teretonga

Maybe for Sainz?
Or a Spanish Armada to Aston Martin....

Aston Martin is blessed by that seemingly unlimited Aramco backing, who supply all kinds of energy products.. and brands the car with its Valvoline brand these days…

[Teretonga]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Aston Martin is blessed by that seemingly unlimited Aramco backing, who supply all kinds of energy products.. and brands the car with its Valvoline brand these days…

Yes, I'm aware of that but that doesn't mean if there's a place for Aramco and Valvoline it doesn't mean there isn't a place for Repsol.

Repsol had indicated they are interested in fuel development including synthetic fuels so there would be nothing unusual about them being involved in F1 in the future....

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Teretonga

Yes, I'm aware of that but that doesn't mean if there's a place for Aramco and Valvoline it doesn't mean there isn't a place for Repsol.

Repsol had indicated they are interested in fuel development including synthetic fuels so there would be nothing unusual about them being involved in F1 in the future....

The supply of Mercedes Benz HPE engines to any customer team requires the supply and usage exclusively of Petronas oils, lubricants and fuels as delivered by Mercedes.

Anything else (like McLaren's Gulf) seems to be window dressing branding

[Mike Harte]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

The supply of Mercedes Benz HPE engines to any customer team requires the supply and usage exclusively of Petronas oils, lubricants and fuels as delivered by Mercedes.

Anything else (like McLaren's Gulf) seems to be window dressing branding

Gulf also has a partnership with Williams, supporting their driver academy plus their e-sports.

[S griffin]

Originally Posted by Mike Harte

Gulf also has a partnership with Williams, supporting their driver academy plus their e-sports.

Be nice to see a Gulf livery on a Williams. Two iconic brands

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by S griffin

Be nice to see a Gulf livery on a Williams. Two iconic brands

Do you mean like Singapore, Japan and Qatar in 2023?


https://tentenths.com/forum/showpost...postcount=2052

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by S griffin

Be nice to see a Gulf livery on a Williams. Two iconic brands

Gulf don't have that kind of money, it's a "shell" brand (pardon the pun) that merely sells rebranded products AFAIK. They have no oil industry infrastructure anymore beyond any other small-time oil blenders AFAIK.

With Valvoline being acquired by parent company Aramco, that has more chance of becoming a major vertically integrated competitor to Shell or Mobil or Petronas or Total (no longer Valvoline products being formulated by various blenders in various markets using base products and additives sourced from Shell or ExxonMobil, but instead a big player from refinery to shelf?).

It seems like Armaco are pushing the Valvoline branding quite hard on the Aston Martin, though obviously the car will NOT race in Valvoline colours instead of Aston Racing Green!

[crmalcolm]

[S griffin]

I’d forgotten about that Williams livery. I seem to remember McLaren had a similar liveryat Monaco one year though?

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by S griffin

I’d forgotten about that Williams livery. I seem to remember McLaren had a similar liveryat Monaco one year though?

2021

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by S griffin

I’d forgotten about that Williams livery.

It would seem the brands aren't so iconic then?

[Richard C]

To answer the question of the thread title. Does Williams have a spare tub? It sounds like they brought a spare with them to Miami.

Richard

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

It would seem the brands aren't so iconic then?

Despite the colours, the Gulf logos are tiny as Gulf just don't have that kind of money any more.

[S griffin]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

It would seem the brands aren't so iconic then?

No, it's just I remembered the McLaren one more

[Teretonga]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

The supply of Mercedes Benz HPE engines to any customer team requires the supply and usage exclusively of Petronas oils, lubricants and fuels as delivered by Mercedes.

Anything else (like McLaren's Gulf) seems to be window dressing branding

But in 2026 they will be exclusively with Honda.....

[bathurst77]

They have both a spare tub and a Sainz for next year

[E.B]

Originally Posted by bathurst77

They have both a spare tub and a Sainz for next year

Sainz has come back with a denial of him signing anything as yet....despite reports in Spain claiming that he has already inked a deal with Williams for 2025.

"The only thing I can tell you is there is nothing locked in," he said. "I've seen reports, I don't know if it's in Spain, people saying I've signed.

"I look at those things and it makes me laugh because I remember seeing reports three months ago that I had signed for Mercedes, reports that I had signed for Red Bull. Now obviously those places are not going to happen.

"So it's funny now seeing people say I've signed for Williams. It makes me laugh that this goes a bit unpunished for some media person. It concerns me that people can get away with that kind of stuff.

"When I have something to announce, you guys will be the first to know and I will be here openly talking about my future."

[S griffin]

I'm sure Sainz is still considering his options. And I really can't see him going to Williams, it's not an attractive prospect for him