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Wait, so Judd is basically losing money?
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I don't know about that - maybe they are just making the most out of very limited resources and it just isn't enough.
Also, they might have other business areas outside motor racing that are more profitable. But neither their LMP nor their Indycar engines seem to be anywhere near rthe top of the pile this year. |
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We need a Nissan LMP1 engine, with a pink lasso
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Just, no! LMP isn't meant to be some special sportscar class, they're PROTOTYPE's. Sportscars should be GT's, unless they allow silhouettes which would be basically going back to homologation specials.
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In LMP1 the manufactures must be able to persue the designs they want. A Spec chassis with different lights and grills would remove what is special about Lmp cars. Besides, the photo exampels are outdated, as both Peugeot and Mercedes is using different designs than the 206 and C-Class |
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12 Aug 2012, 09:26 (Ref:3118902) | #2336 | |
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Same with the Audi design, that looks like Audi TT headlights from a few years ago.
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however pretty some of the DPs might look they are the result of rules in-placed to prevent the use of the most efficient effective solution in aerodynamic terms from being used. i like pretty cars as much as the next person but if form doesn't follow function than thats a step away from going faster and doing it better which to me is at the heart of motorsport and more important than aesthetic considerations. to put it simply if you try and mandate cars to be sexy looking you're just going to wind up with a bunch of average looking racecars that are compromised in terms of being the pinnacle of what is possible.
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A "beauty" chassie has less road relevancy than a LMP with actual aero developmet. You can ask yourself how much road relevancy DTM and SGT has... |
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Again, SGT, DTM, Daytona cars aren't road relevant. They might have a few shared looks with there road counterpart, but the aero isn't transferable. However on a current LMP there is a lot of research into aerodynamics, which IS actually used on road cars. |
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12 Aug 2012, 12:14 (Ref:3118953) | #2342 | |
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... Don't get me wrong; I'm not saying that aerodynamics should be "standardised" only that it would be nice if the development went directly into "road car type" shapes as opposed to "F1 with fender" shapes.
Serious Question; has a Daytona Prototype ever been known to "fly" or "flip" like the current LMP's have a tendancy to do (even with the fin and holes)? (I really don't know as I don't follow American racing...) |
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If cars like that should return, it would require a pretty limiting rulebook, and aerodynamic development is halted pretty much. But all in all, it's a personal opinion, as some favor GT cars, some early prototypes (917 and 512), some Gr. C, some GT1 ('97-'99) and finally some LMP's. Personally i favor the cutting edge machines with little limitation from the rules. |
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There have been a few cases of DPs getting airborne, suppossedly a really spectacular one at Daytona in practise that wasn't caught by any cameras for once, but even when they've caught air they didn't blow over.
Joao Barbosa came mightl close to that at New Jersey a couple of years ago, though, before they added the chicane. DPs being flat bottomed race cars, a blowover would probably be like the GT1 flips from the late 90s - but all in all they are too heavy and slow to really get into any kind of major trouble. Quote:
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Under my rules I'd free up road relevent technology such as opening/closing radiator/brake ducts, air brakes, movable spoilers, etc, not the fixed bodywork of today's cars. |
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Um, will it be nice if the ACO could create rules for LMPs to combine beauty, road-relevancy, and aerodynamics?
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Theres only one of your suggestions which will find it's way to ordinary cars, and that's the moveable radiator ducts, which Ford utilizes on one of the Focus models. All other is only relevant for high performance vehicles. Research in fixed bodywork aerodynamics is therefor in my mind more road relevant than movable bodywork. Quote:
First of, Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Some think the edge of technology is beautiful, some the lines of a designer. Secondly, as you can see Road-relevancy is a "funny" subject which there is many different opinions in. But to get Road-Relevancy into the bodywork of the cars would result in less aerodynamically freedom. A good example is the winglets that F1 cars used to be covered in. This got banned, to lower expenses and make the cars more beautiful. |
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Its interesting to note what makes a high performance road car look like a road car rather the current LMPs, since both are (supposedly) 2 seater, 4-wheel vehicles:-
The issues above would set the basis for my "Prototype Sportscar" chassis rules, the rules governing the bodywork itself would be relatively free, but of course it would have to wrap itself around the larger passenger area that would be mandated. Fire extinguisers/batteries/KERS systems would need to be either in the engine bay area or in the "luggage" area; not the driver/passenger area. Given those simple "road car" rules it would be interesting to see what aerodynamic solutions would be achieved; solutions that would be directly related, and applicable, to the challenges faced by road car designers.... |
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So with that kind of rule provisions, it is possible to create a LMP car Machin?
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