Grp C/Grp A/V8SC 'Where are they now?' continued... - Page 95

mountainstar · 30 Dec 2008, 06:06 (Ref:2362558)

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Originally Posted by Falcadore

By lack of experience, I had meant the cars were a bit fragile and race miles had been hard to come by.

Hey - what ever happened to the various Commodores, Perkins built IIRC, that were raced under the "Indonesian Racing Team" by Tommy Suharto, I mean Hutomo MP. I think there were some Reynard F-Holdens there too.

There was a funny story in MRA years ago from Mark Larkham about going over there with the Formula Holden cars and racing against one of the Suharto boys that had an obviously illegal engine installed.

rdmdog · 30 Dec 2008, 06:28 (Ref:2362560)

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Originally Posted by bent65

The rolled shell was bought by Mike Ceveri and converted to sports sedan. He says the roll cage was still straight and they pulled the body back true around it. The front and alot of the floor and quarters were removed and flared. The car was very quick with Mike driving.

I went to a bit of trouble to scan a photo of the Civery SSed Sierra at Winton in the early 90's, now I see that I can't post an attachment? Why would that be, as I have a few others that would be of interest here????

rdmdog · 30 Dec 2008, 06:54 (Ref:2362564)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

A few nice SuperTourers (amongst other things..) for sale & prepared Here

The Tim Harvey BTCC car looks like the one that Paul Pickett used before getting into the Hyundais.

David Towe · 30 Dec 2008, 09:38 (Ref:2362611)

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Originally Posted by bent65

David did you end up sorting your fuell cell dramas from last year?

Yep, new fuel tank. No probs now.

fomoco · 30 Dec 2008, 13:45 (Ref:2362727)

does anyone know what happened to the Valiant nee chrysler Pacers and Chargers?

I believe the Gaghan brothers drove them and a few others.

chavez · 30 Dec 2008, 20:09 (Ref:2362933)

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Originally Posted by mountainstar

There was a funny story in MRA years ago from Mark Larkham about going over there with the Formula Holden cars and racing against one of the Suharto boys that had an obviously illegal engine installed.

Actually Suharto had blown a number of the Holden engines during practice and the organisers allowed him to start the race in his full blown F3000 car.

Nothing illegal about it.

Tommy failed to finish the Grand Prix and Larkham went on to win the Indonesian Grand Prix.

Falcadore · 31 Dec 2008, 00:46 (Ref:2363069)

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Originally Posted by mountainstar

There was a funny story in MRA years ago from Mark Larkham about going over there with the Formula Holden cars and racing against one of the Suharto boys that had an obviously illegal engine installed.

He blew up his Holden motor and there were no more engines to be had in Indonesia so he got permission from the other competitors to reinstall the F3000 Mugen engine that came with the car when he bought it. At least that was the official story. His lap times meant even with the V8 he wasn't a threat.

dazza027 · 31 Dec 2008, 01:37 (Ref:2363097)

I wonder if old Tommy thinks about those days while his locked up in his jail cell, or is he out already?

2lt SuperTourer · 31 Dec 2008, 01:49 (Ref:2363101)

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Originally Posted by rdmdog

The Tim Harvey BTCC car looks like the one that Paul Pickett used before getting into the Hyundais.

Hi.
that is correct Paul only used the BMW(i have a few posters somewhere of the car when paul had it) for a season IIRC then went to the hyundai`s...

Thanks...

racer69 · 31 Dec 2008, 03:43 (Ref:2363152)

John Henderson then ran the ex-Pickett BMW in 1996

Did we ever work out what happened to the E36 2-door driven by Paul Morris at the 1992 AGP support races?

**GTRMagic** · 2 Jan 2009, 11:06 (Ref:2363992)

You have to wonder where cars like this are now....

Sultan · 4 Jan 2009, 07:32 (Ref:2364853)

Is that the Ex Grice car that was O/S?

racer69 · 4 Jan 2009, 10:45 (Ref:2364904)

This car was likely covered in the VK/VL Commodore thread in the Motorsport History forum.

This pic is from the 1987 Silverstone TT round of the WTCC. It's not the ex-Grice car, as it was still in VK trim being used by ADR in the 1987 BTCC (where it won the round at Snetterton)

mildura1963 · 4 Jan 2009, 21:33 (Ref:2365249)

Anyone got of picture of the only Group A Falcon (XE) I think that was built in NZ, I think Dick Johnson steered it in a race over there....

Forda · 4 Jan 2009, 23:45 (Ref:2365310)

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Originally Posted by racer69

This car was likely covered in the VK/VL Commodore thread in the Motorsport History forum.

This pic is from the 1987 Silverstone TT round of the WTCC. It's not the ex-Grice car, as it was still in VK trim being used by ADR in the 1987 BTCC (where it won the round at Snetterton)

Link here: http://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=97759

kramer · 5 Jan 2009, 03:34 (Ref:2365361)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

You have to wonder where cars like this are now....

There was a VL Commodore being used in Rallycross in Europe for a while; it got rolled at one point. Perhaps that's the one.

Kramer

Arney · 5 Jan 2009, 06:39 (Ref:2365394)

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Originally Posted by mildura1963

Anyone got of picture of the only Group A Falcon (XE) I think that was built in NZ, I think Dick Johnson steered it in a race over there....

A rear view picture of the GpA. XE Falcon that Dick raced in N.Z. is at this link http://www.nzmustang.com/History/Racecars/pinepac1.htm . I have a small black & white photo of the front of the car from a magazine called "Australian Motor Racing + GT" issue 3 March 1985 (I have no idea on how to put it on here). The magazine had a column in their that Dick would write about things he had been up to.
There were 2 races (Wellington Streets & Pukekohe 500km races) that he and Kiwi Bruce Anderson (owner of the XE) competed in. The XE clocked fastest time in practice and won the one lap dash for pole by 1.5 secs(according to Dick's column). Dick wrote he was concerned about the 'standard brakes and rear end' in the Falcon and that was its undoing in the races where he led the first 20 laps at Wellington and at Pukekohue, qualified 4th and was running as high as 2nd until a piston let go at the 30 lap mark.
The competition, the Falcon was up against refer to this link. http://homepage.mac.com/frank_de_jon...ellington.html
Not all runners are on this page but it makes me wonder if Dick made a mistake by going with the Mustang into Group A when this Falcon showed some potential and some more developement?

hypo · 5 Jan 2009, 11:22 (Ref:2365525)

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Originally Posted by mildura1963

Anyone got of picture of the only Group A Falcon (XE) I think that was built in NZ, I think Dick Johnson steered it in a race over there....

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**chunterer** · 5 Jan 2009, 11:39 (Ref:2365538)

Interesting points raised about this one off XE Falcon. I dimly remember reading something about a car being built/converted from a Group C model and assumed that it couldn't have been competitive if no further cars appeared afterwards.

I have to admit i'm bit sceptical about this car being that much quicker than established and well developed hardware like the BMW's though although perhaps it looked better than it really was as in '85 there wasn't really any out and out competitive Group A teams as the first season didn't take off until a long way in to the year IIRC?

Were these times that it did official or off of the teams' own watches??!!

racer69 · 5 Jan 2009, 14:57 (Ref:2365658)

It set pole and led the early part of the '85 race until mechanical problems stopped it. Amongst it's competitors were Tom Walkinshaw in his TWR Rover and Frank Sytner in his BMW, so there were some people there in familiar cars. The car was originally raced in pretty standard trim in NZ, wasn't strictly a Grp A car though.

The problem with Johnson running a Falcon instead of the Mustang would have been homologating it. By 1985 the XF Falcon was due (or perhaps already released) and didn't come with a V8, Johnson indeed was investigating a turbo-6 version of the Falcon. There was no real future with the Falcon, it was only a local-homologation for New Zealand that allowed it to compete.

The 1985 ATCC started in early March, Johnson's Mustang suffered from the heat. It did take a while for most teams to sort themselves out though, hence why the JPS BMWs were so dominent.

KA · 5 Jan 2009, 16:01 (Ref:2365689)

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Originally Posted by mountainstar

The Carina looks pretty cool actually.

So that's where they ended up!!!! Thought they'd fallen totally off the radar, but there seems to be a fair amount of ex-BTCC machinery in Aus/NZ...

Sultan · 7 Jan 2009, 00:30 (Ref:2366722)

racer69 hit the nail on the head - The lack of a V8 & the sheer cost of a turbo 6 (remember Ford weren't exactly big suppporters of Aust motor sport in the '80's!!)

dazza027 · 7 Jan 2009, 00:44 (Ref:2366727)

Not to mention that old 4.1 litre block of crap wasnt exactly a firebreather... To be honest I guess Ford Australia was against just about anything that had even a whisker of performance to it. It was almost like someones 95 yo grann was running the show.

mildura1963 · 7 Jan 2009, 06:37 (Ref:2366814)

Would the XE be the only one off Group A vehicle?

KA · 7 Jan 2009, 10:01 (Ref:2366893)

There were quite a few unusual Group A cars raced in Europe and Australia, and some of them I can only think of a single example raced- there was the Fiat Uno turbo at Bathurst in '86 (they were rallied in Europe.... http://www.acipavia.it/images/Rally/TagliapietraUno.jpg .....but I can't think of another Group A racer) or Graham Goode's Nissan Bluebird turbo in the BTCC around 1984/5, which was a one-off as far as I know- unless they were ever raced in Japanese Group A?

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