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10 May 2004, 13:14 (Ref:966471)
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"Clean sweep" season for MS or Ferrari ?
Regardless of your feelings about the Scuderia, they're SO overwhelmingly superior this year it makes me wonder if they are headed for a sweep.
OK historians, who was the last driver to win every race in a season ? The last team to sweep it all ? Is it likely this year? It's the one motivation MS has left before he retires as undisputed King. |
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10 May 2004, 13:17 (Ref:966472)
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Noone did that before. Macs won 15 out of 16, in 1988, and they were split between Senna and Prost.
PS: Would be nice, wouldn't it? 
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10 May 2004, 13:23 (Ref:966475)
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NObody in F1.
In USF3 (2001) brazilian Luciano Gomide won 14 races in-a-row, and only a mechanical failure during the final round prevented him from winning every race of the season. Last edited by climb; 10 May 2004 at 13:23. |
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10 May 2004, 13:45 (Ref:966498)
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10 May 2004, 13:54 (Ref:966509)
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Yes.
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10 May 2004, 13:55 (Ref:966510)
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What about Alfa Romeo in 1950, with the famous F-Team (Fangio, Farini and Fagioli)? Or Ferrari in 1952 or 53, when Ascari was so successful? Were they clean sweeps?
If it happens this year, it would do untold damage to Formula 1 - people will get so bored. |
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10 May 2004, 13:59 (Ref:966515)
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10 May 2004, 14:11 (Ref:966532)
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Hmm... lemme think........ yep! I'm sure
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10 May 2004, 14:29 (Ref:966546)
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and some would get deliriously happy. it works both ways you know. |
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10 May 2004, 15:02 (Ref:966569)
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i dont think it is out of question at all!! i think Rubens will win a GP or 2...
but in terms of speed they are faster even when they are carrying more fuel... and even with a cracked exhaust or blown engine they always always finish the GP... with speed like this i dont think it is impossible that we see a Ferrari-18 |
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10 May 2004, 15:06 (Ref:966575)
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Agree with Ralfie; once MS has secured his 7th title they'll let Rubens win a couple of races
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10 May 2004, 15:07 (Ref:966578)
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Ferrari winning all 18 race is possible..but Michael winning everything? Hahah..i don't think so..it's not that Ferrari/Michael doesn't have the capacity too..but considering that the calendar is longer than it ever was in recent years, it makes the possibility significantly smaller.
Look, Spain is a clear indication that even the most reliable car CAN suffer from mechanical problems, and eventual failure...hence the competition can pray real hard... Ferrari had run on thin ice in Spain, and notably at Canada last year... also things like the freak puncture at Hockenheim last year may be possible too. Not forgetting weather and other special conditions..as smart as Brawn and Todt are, they can't have a 100% strategy every time, every race, every situation...it takes a freak shower, a freak race..even a mad Mclaren employee to throw everything wide open. |
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10 May 2004, 17:40 (Ref:966706)
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I don't think Ferrari will win all 18 races. You can see the gap between them and the other diminishing... slightly.
If it continues like this, the guys at the FIA will do something about it anyway (because it will affect television figures if they do not). So then it's even less likely. |
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10 May 2004, 21:10 (Ref:966916)
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Its possible.
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10 May 2004, 22:14 (Ref:966992)
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Was F1 damaged by Mansell's domination of 1992? No. Or did the fact that Mansell and Williams were British have something to do with that? 
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10 May 2004, 22:24 (Ref:966999)
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Also Fangio in a Maserati won the last race of 1953. Last edited by esorniloc; 10 May 2004 at 22:24. |
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10 May 2004, 22:41 (Ref:967018)
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i don't think MS and Ferrari will take all 18
but it is possible fot Ferrari MS and RB to do so...thrilling methinks suchh team and machine perfection maybe Ferrari will do ALMS and LeMans or LMES with a new Ferrari Prototype? hopefuly |
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10 May 2004, 22:42 (Ref:967022)
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I don't think Bernie will allow this to happen. Long before it did, the audience numbers would have dwindled alarmingly and the sponsors would be howling.
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10 May 2004, 23:02 (Ref:967043)
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Impossible? No.
Unlikely? Yes. Good for the sport? No way! |
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10 May 2004, 23:08 (Ref:967048)
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BTW: I'm not English The damage to the sport is not that the same drivers wins many races, but the fact that there is NO competition, NO fight, NO racing. Barcelona was SOOOO BORING. Glad there was some racing at the 1000Km of Monza afterwards... |
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10 May 2004, 23:09 (Ref:967049)
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This is not the situation that existed in 1992. Mansell had not won the previous 4 championships (!)so his success was applauded by many as a superior car and a good driver. He had missed a couple of chmpionships earlier in his career by a few points so to actually dominate one was allowable.
That is not the current situation here. Even McLarens steamroller in 1998 was overshadowed by the tremendous battle by two of the worlds premier drivers who both just happened to be driving for the same team. That is not the situation we face in 2004. This is one team that has got it's act together in having the premier driver of his generation, the premier technical/design team (Brawn-Byrne) of the era plus leadership (Todt/Montezemolo) who have put together a great finacial/sponsorship package that has eclipsed what every other manufacturer has been able to do and gone on doing it for four or five straight years. Great! But it has not benefitted the sport as a great competitive sporting spectacle and that is something that should concern every F1 fan. If we do not get back to a competitive style situation where a number of tems/drivers have more of an opportunity to win F1 could lose the support of the masses and that WILL affect the future of F1 as a great international sporting spectacle. Last edited by Teretonga; 10 May 2004 at 23:15. |
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10 May 2004, 23:13 (Ref:967054)
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Good post Teretonga!
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10 May 2004, 23:16 (Ref:967056)
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A good summary of why it is considered different.
Your use of the word 'allowable' brought this home too. It seems that any given year's world championship should be based more on how unsuccessful a driver had been in previous years and less on how many points they score in that year.
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10 May 2004, 23:32 (Ref:967068)
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I think it would be nice. I used to support Schumacher before getting bored of his wins, however if we come to the 17th race of the season, with Schumacher having won the previous 16, it would be quite exciting to watch if he can go for the record.
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11 May 2004, 01:17 (Ref:967103)
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And Mansell had deserved a title a long time before 1992. In fact, he was unlucky not to win 2 or 3. As for Michael winning all 18, no way it's gonna happen. He's not going to win Monaco. Anyone with an OK strategy, pole position and a really wide car will win Monaco. My pick's JPM/DC
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