How Schumacher tricked Alonso to win revenge

freud · 27 Apr 2006, 02:53 (Ref:1595883)

This race was a class act. I am simply amazed Flavio & co. fell into the trap.

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HDTVKSS · 27 Apr 2006, 03:15 (Ref:1595897)

ummm not to be a spoil sport or anything, but it was probably more to do with Shmui taking defensive lines while being followed by Alonso. Once Alonso pitted, he could take attacking lines, hence the increase in pace.

gttouring · 27 Apr 2006, 04:45 (Ref:1595921)

intersting point though, Shumacher did very well, and even when alonso caught up again (i am convinced the brilliant renault is the superior car this year) every mistake FA did the car pulled him out of it and put him back to the Maestro's tail- only to do what mess up again... the car could only recover from his foolhardy bravado so much and schumi sped away with out a bead of sweat showing as he punched the air and hopped on the podium. and FA was drenched and knackered trying to follow- what a show.

climb · 27 Apr 2006, 06:27 (Ref:1595947)

Well I think most was due to two facts:
- At Imola overtaking is very difficult, to say the least
- Was Alonso really interested at taking a big risk to pass Schumacher? let's not forget that last year tha Spaniard won the WDC more thanks to runner-up finishes than to wins.
His probable reasonig was: "Ok a second place is more than good to me today, with 17 points of gap, losing two from MS is nothing, and in the meantime I gain more on Kimi and Fisi. Thus let's keep behind him and make some pressure from time to time: if he makes some mistakes then good for me, if not, it's good anyways".

In the WDC perspective, Imola's real winner was Alonso, not MS IMO.

marzF1rocks · 27 Apr 2006, 09:36 (Ref:1596075)

It was a highly skilled manover,by the ferrari team reacting as they did.
Renault and Alonso had always said they would be happy with 2nd...

It will Be a case to see if ferrari can challenge them on a wider and more challaging track

bauble · 27 Apr 2006, 19:28 (Ref:1596487)

Last year Michael made a much better job of harrying Alonso than Fernando did this year. To be honest his efforts were rather silly as there was only one point where he could even dream of getting by, and he was constantly losing by it braking late. Michael had every move covered and could have stayed in front all night had he needed to.
Full marks to the Pedro for all of his achievements, but he still has a lot to learn. Where better than right behind the Master!!

downforce · 27 Apr 2006, 20:19 (Ref:1596523)

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Originally Posted by climb

In the WDC perspective, Imola's real winner was Alonso, not MS IMO.

What, in your opinion should Schumacher have done in the WDC perspective at Imola to be a real winner....a 'Jerez '97'?

I personally would have loved it if he had tried something horrendous to spice up F1 last Sunday in San Marino! Gerhard Berger in the build up on ITV said he preferred a 'bsatard' racer than a boring one...how true!

I'm quite sure Juan Pablo would have made a fabulous attempt at getting past Michael successful or not...a few years ago in a Williams if you recall, he got past Trulli in the most cheeky-yet-smooth maneouvres at Imola leaving both commentator and Patrick Head later screaming "you cannot do that!!"

This nicety-nicety-F1 drive-for-points is getting to me really...

**Adam43** · 27 Apr 2006, 20:34 (Ref:1596531)

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Originally Posted by climb

Well I think most was due to two facts:
- At Imola overtaking is very difficult, to say the least

Yes and witness the race in 2005.

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Originally Posted by climb

- Was Alonso really interested at taking a big risk to pass Schumacher? let's not forget that last year tha Spaniard won the WDC more thanks to runner-up finishes than to wins.

I agree to a point. Alonso won as many races as anyone last year. His wins were important as was his consistency.
Was he trying to get past at Imola. Yes and you could see it. He drove in a very ragged manner when behind Schumacher. Ultimately though he didn't risk anything.

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Originally Posted by climb

In the WDC perspective, Imola's real winner was Alonso, not MS IMO.

Michael gained two points on Alonso so no. However "in the WDC perspective" Alonso is the real winner over the first four races. Alonso can afford two points at the moment, but that can't become a trend.

Hein · 28 Apr 2006, 06:17 (Ref:1596699)

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Originally Posted by climb

- Was Alonso really interested at taking a big risk to pass Schumacher? let's not forget that last year tha Spaniard won the WDC more thanks to runner-up finishes than to wins.
His probable reasonig was: "Ok a second place is more than good to me today, with 17 points of gap, losing two from MS is nothing, and in the meantime I gain more on Kimi and Fisi. Thus let's keep behind him and make some pressure from time to time: if he makes some mistakes then good for me, if not, it's good anyways".
.

Alonso wanted that race, that I promise you! He was trying and giving it his all!

Menelaos · 28 Apr 2006, 08:17 (Ref:1596756)

If it was the last race of the year and he had to, he would have tried to pass. He didn't need to risk, he had 8 points to lose and 2 points to gain. And as we saw last year Alonso and Renault are not the combination who will forget about points just to win a race. They're going for the title not the race, which is the correct approach in my opinion.

**Born Racer** · 28 Apr 2006, 08:26 (Ref:1596761)

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If it was the last race of the year and he had to, he would have tried to pass. He didn't need to risk, he had 8 points to lose and 2 points to gain.

This is why the points gaps should be increased.

Alfa Fan · 28 Apr 2006, 12:27 (Ref:1596891)

It was actually 4 points.

If Alonso had passed MS he'd have scored 10 to MSs 8.

Whereas MS scored 10 to Alonso's 8.

ie MS would have fallen 4 points further behind.

**Adam43** · 28 Apr 2006, 12:38 (Ref:1596904)

Good point, but it is still half the difference than a 10-6... system. In addition there is another out come. Crash and then at best both score none and lose out to everyone else.

climb · 28 Apr 2006, 12:39 (Ref:1596907)

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Originally Posted by downforce

What, in your opinion should Schumacher have done in the WDC perspective at Imola to be a real winner....a 'Jerez '97'?
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He should have made at least 10 more points in the previous races

climb · 28 Apr 2006, 12:45 (Ref:1596910)

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Originally Posted by AdamAshmore

... Alonso won as many races as anyone last year....

err Kimi should have won the same number of races (7) if I'm not wrong, thus his runner-ups did make the difference

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Originally Posted by AdamAshmore

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Was he trying to get past at Imola. Yes and you could see it. He drove in a very ragged manner when behind Schumacher. Ultimately though he didn't risk anything.

Yes he just tried and push MS to made a mistake but never risked to get out of the races to gain a position.

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Originally Posted by AdamAshmore

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Michael gained two points on Alonso so no. However "in the WDC perspective" Alonso is the real winner over the first four races. Alonso can afford two points at the moment, but that can't become a trend.

well with such a trend MS should win further 8 races in a row to become WDC leader, which is less than likely; Then I think Alonso could afford this trend without any problem.

climb · 28 Apr 2006, 12:47 (Ref:1596911)

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Originally Posted by Hein

Alonso wanted that race, that I promise you! ...

Hein, how can you be sosure about that?

Are you sure you come from southAfrica?

**Adam43** · 28 Apr 2006, 12:51 (Ref:1596917)

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Originally Posted by climb

err Kimi should have won the same number of races (7) if I'm not wrong, thus his runner-ups did make the difference

Which is what I said.

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Originally Posted by climb

Yes he just tried and push MS to made a mistake but never risked to get out of the races to gain a position.

Although he made plenty of mistakes - a couple of which nearly put him off the road. They just didn't happen in a lunge. The best example being one in Rivazza. Now that wasn't totally safe and conservatively driving for points.

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Originally Posted by climb

well with such a trend MS should win further 8 races in a row to become WDC leader, which is less than likely; Then I think Alonso could afford this trend without any problem.

So for that one race Michael had the best for the championship. For the trend of all the races and the potential future races Alonso is having the best. As we look at it now it is unlikely even if Michael scored 10 to Alonso 0 that Michael would win overall. If we were nearer the end of the season and Michael needed more than 2 points per race then I would fully agree. It isn't a problem for Alonso for the reasons you say, but Michael did better in the championship than Fernando. This is a dull point really.

Still that is pretty much what you say. So I'm going to call that close enough to agreement.

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