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26 Mar 2007, 02:45 (Ref:1876366) | #1 | |
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It's Time To Go ... Cps
Yes, I've always been an opponent of these ridiculous connived things but Barbagallo showed conclusively that CPS's in sprint races are a joke...
1. Why should a driver who has fought hard for 20 odd laps to gain 1/2 a second lose it all (and more) because he has to wait for someone else to trundle past at 40kmh? Then he comes back out and has lost 5 or 6 places. It should not be "Luck of the draw" - it should be driver skill. 2. You can bump into another car at anywhere from 60 kmh to 200 kmh on the track and not get any penalty if your opponent is not speared off. Yet if you have the minutest touch in pit lane at 40kmh and have your entire round ruined. What sort of lunacy is this??? I havent seen anyone fired into a fence from a pit lane touch yet ... it's madness. Even in the enduros, if you touch another car in pit lane you should be given the option to yield that place. 3. Can anybody give me an argument how this has helped the racing (or even the "entertainment") ... AT ALL? It seems to spread the field out if anything, confuses the fans and makes for boring television. Lets remove the lottery or, if you want to go the whole NASCAR hog, make the pit lanes 3 wide so that everybody can enter/exit in position. |
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Good example being Richo as well on the weekend too, stuffed his weekend with the CPS.
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Which brings up another issue all together. With this day & age of OH&S, why do we still persist with live pit lanes with personelle left right & center all over the bloody thing. I used to think that the lanes they used in the US were a joke. Now I think all pit lanes should be like this. All team members to remain the safe side of the wall, until the car pulls into the pit & then only should they be allowed to service the car. (But then again, them "mericans still manage to run over there pit crew too regularly). |
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26 Mar 2007, 03:47 (Ref:1876383) | #5 | ||
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Apparently motor racing is a team sport. Brings in more than just driver skill. The team build the car you drive, so i guess its just another way of incorperating the team into the race.
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26 Mar 2007, 04:38 (Ref:1876403) | #6 | ||
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cps is crap and allwe need to get rid of them is more grip and a harder compound to make them last longer, it should come down to driver ability.
i say get rid of cps and make it pit if you want/need to. but like hoffy i have to disagree about the bumping in pitlane because of the pitcrew so i think the pitlane penity for an unsafe entry/exit or touching is neccesary. |
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26 Mar 2007, 04:43 (Ref:1876406) | #7 | ||
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Get rid of the pits stops. Give them a tyre that is only good for about 75% of the race so we can see some tactics in regards to tyre managment come into play.
The TV was on in the backround on saturday whilst i was working on a 12hr car and I only looked up at the screen a couple of times during the whole race.I dont think I missed much. |
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26 Mar 2007, 06:03 (Ref:1876429) | #9 | ||
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I must agree with Stealthy...
Its a team sport now, gives the pit crew more involvement, makes them more professional, same for everybody. The crew need to be strong & fit now…its all good, leave as is |
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26 Mar 2007, 06:48 (Ref:1876439) | #10 | |
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I thought it was supposed to be a drivers championship, not "the fastest rattleguns in the west".
Get rid of them, a good driver can be let down by a faulty gun or even nut, how does that prove who the best driver in the land is ??????????????? |
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Fact is, its a TEAM sport, nothing less. If you want CPSs gone, why not get rid of all the crew aswell, as they (in a perfect world with no CPSs) wont be needed anymore. |
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IMO, they should have two speed lanes insted of one (example drivers entering pits stay on the outside lane and then merge to the inside lane to enter their pit bay when safe, and drivers when exiting pit bay use the inside lane and then merge to the outside lane when safe), it would make entering and exiting alot safer and drivers would not get held up as much...
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Making someone take a pit stop when they don't need to is stupid. |
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26 Mar 2007, 20:54 (Ref:1877070) | #18 | ||
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The ironic thing is that the CPS was only bought in to stop runaway victories and keep the crowd interested.
And guess what? We had a runaway victory and a disinterested crowd... |
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SOme valid points posted. Gone are the days of , owner,driver,car builder. Hence a team of people put a car on the track.
As for entering and exiting the pits, On what race track could you possibly set up two lanes, to accomondate 32 cars? As I have said before elsewhere, pathways painted black with some lines. |
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26 Mar 2007, 23:40 (Ref:1877227) | #20 | ||
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I think the pit stops are fine, but it needs to count. Softer compound tyres with OPEN pit strategy.
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Agree with the majority, contrived pitstops are a joke.
I've always wondered how seeing someone get overtaken in a pitstop is exciting? |
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Change the race formats then to something like a 20 lap "heat" then an 100 lap semi enduro. You would need pit stops for fuel and tyres then. The fans will get to see a lot of mixed battles and pit stops, safety cars etc will come on as tyres fade and drivers make mistakes.
I'd rather watch a 250-300 km race than 3 piddly little 35 lappers. I guess we would see a bit more carnage along the way, but the survival of the fittest would provide worthy winners for both car strength and strategy each round. |
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29 Mar 2007, 13:12 (Ref:1879176) | #23 | ||
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Could always change em to run on Methonal....Pits stops? You want pit stops?
I agree, the average race needs to be around the 90 minute mark. Leaves enough time to have some drama (such as a fast car gaining or a leading car slowing), but obviously without CPS |
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I agree with soft tyres, make them much softer, and if a driver wants to pit for new ones (and will be faster on track) he can, or if someone wants to stay out (will be slower on track), brings in some ACTUAL strategy, and differences in the cars tyre performance will bring overtaking. Even without pitstops softer tyres would help things IMO.
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Don't like the CPS's myself either, but can you imagine how far in front the TWPG cars would have been without some way of throwing a wobbly into them by a possible pit-stop blunder! How it was it was the second most boring round of races since China!! If they are going to have pitstops, make the races all 300ks long, and worthwhile!
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