stop press!

rush1 · 23 Aug 2002, 18:16 (Ref:364605)

When the CART obituary is writte such events will be remembered as important.

The Indianapolis Star has an article (currently on their web page) that confirms 10 teams for CART in 2003. The ten include 2 fron Newman/Hass Ganassi and Forsyth and 1 from Fernandez, Rahal, Herdez and Patrick. If Andretti abandons CART will it exist in 2003? Not looking up.

The article also mention the IRL has around 30 for 2003.

As is said here before, Tony won.

macdaddy · 23 Aug 2002, 18:29 (Ref:364613)

Attack the post, not the poster.
I'll try to remember that.

jcclausen · 23 Aug 2002, 19:10 (Ref:364638)

Wrong thread, Rush. All the T. Georgeophiles are over on the IRL thread. You'll be much more appreciated there.

Is that the same Indianapolis Star that fired Robin Miller because he wouldn't tout the company line for T. George?

Flatspot · 23 Aug 2002, 19:21 (Ref:364647)

Rush 1:

You're right the artcle did say that. The parts you failed to mention were the parts about 4 new teams Pook says are confirmed let alone the other possibilities. Oh you also forgot the part about Walker's concerns on car count being much less over the course of the last 30 days etc. etc.

You should hawk your "doom and gloom" wares elsewhere. We don't buy them here.

A little humor:

Q. Why does the wind always blow toward TG's office.

A. It's obviuos, because TG sucks!

Dave S · 23 Aug 2002, 19:34 (Ref:364659)

And judging from the massive number of IRL fan's posts over in your forum you both must be overjoyed. Even were CART to magically disappear overnight (sorry pal, not going to happen) I would fail to see just what TIG would have won. Oh, I forgot, he has masterfully turned the I500 into the 3rd greatest spectacle at IMS. How impressive.
By the way, how do you think Eisner's certain sacking @ Disney & the ratings basement ABC/ESPN he's managed to pull off will affect the IRL's TV package? Can you say 'GOLF'? See, anyone, not just the ever professional writers at TonyStar can make wild speculations based on miniscule tidbits of information.

Jordi · 23 Aug 2002, 21:03 (Ref:364702)

Not attack the post, not attack the poster... just attack Tony George!

Liz · 24 Aug 2002, 14:12 (Ref:365073)

Please take your concerns to www.crapwagon.com where they will be answered in full.

I am at the Molson Indy Montreal where the grandstands are packed full at 10:00 in the morning for first practice. The paddock is so crowded you can hardly walk around there. People are in every square inch of this venue and they expect more than 150,000 people this weekend.

And this is the first race here.

Yesterday afternoon there were more people in the grandstands at Turn 7 during afternoon warm up than there are at any Invisible Racing League RACE on their schedule.

I don't believe that is a sign that this series is going under.

Goodbye now Rush1, and don't let the door hit you where the Good Lord split you.

hoonboyz · 24 Aug 2002, 14:23 (Ref:365077)

gee Rush1, i guess all 300,000 people that will turn up at the Gold Coast race must be wrong , maybe we should have an invisible racing league event in Aus :P as if

jcclausen · 24 Aug 2002, 18:51 (Ref:365175)

Quote:

As is said here before, Tony won

Some people never understood the axiom that it was better to keep one's mouth shut and appear a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.

I'll bet the promoters of Montreal wish they had staged an IRL event rather than the loser CART.

jcclausen · 24 Aug 2002, 18:58 (Ref:365180)

Quote:

The article also mention the IRL has around 30 for 2003

Is that a prediction of total fan attendance?

macdaddy · 24 Aug 2002, 19:12 (Ref:365185)

JC, that was classic!

BootsOntheSide · 24 Aug 2002, 21:20 (Ref:365282)

The Indianapolis star is a pale Tony George advert anyway. Loads of teams could join CART for next year- Atlantic teams like Dorricott, F3000 teams such as Durango or Coloni, Team St George or a possibel switch of Red Bull's attention, Sigma and PWR could return one way or another, and Walker should stay. Then we have Mario's 3rd Newman Haas entry, Mo Nunn, a second Fernandez, Paul Cherry plans to get a team out there....

rush1 · 25 Aug 2002, 02:57 (Ref:365402)

So Mr. Pook has 4 new teams "committed" to CART in 2003 but is not naming names. Who are they? If these teams are committed who are the owners and sponsors? I would think they might send out a press release or name their drivers, you know, since they are committed to CART. Maybe a good time would be this weekend with hundreds of thousands attending the race in Montreal. Don't hold your breath.

Why would you people lash out at the Indianapolis Star for stating CART has 10 cars signed on for 2003? It is surely not their fault. Their auto racing coverage is getting worse but they are not a mouth piece for Tony George by any means. The Indianapolis star has written many an article blasting prince Tony and his sometimes lousy decisions.

The sooner TG kills off CART the better. A unified open wheel series would help to expand the fan base and stop the confusion of this and that series. Will you people still support CART after losing Penske, Honda, Toyota and most likely Barry Greens old outfit? CART is just a open wheel racing series that is a shell of its former self, nothing to get real sentimental about.

Of cource, if you love the thought of Oriol Servia and Adrian Fernandez battling it out in spec engines at Clevland or Portland in 2003 than CART's demise might bring a tear to your eye.

f1manoz · 25 Aug 2002, 03:11 (Ref:365405)

Rush,

Do us all a favour and state all your anti-CART sh1t on the IRL board please. This space here is for CART FANS, one of which you are obviously not.

So go take a long walk off a short pier.

Flatspot · 25 Aug 2002, 03:20 (Ref:365408)

You still don't get it. CART will survive. Even in the off chance it didn't I for one still wouldn't watch that "Inane 'Roundabout Series". TG's product is a POS. If open-wheel cars that turn right go away I'd rather watch F1, ALMS, Motorcycles, I'd even watch my kids racing tricycles in my driveway before I'd watch the IRL.

You know, there is a thread over on the IRL forum about the possibility of the INDY 500 running at night, maybe on a Monday. It was everything I could do not to reply with a "Who Cares" post but out of respect for those who enjoy the IRL I refrained (don't mind a little IRL bashing on this forum though). Please take your attitude over there where it belongs and show the same kind of common courtesy.

theracegypsy · 26 Aug 2002, 15:55 (Ref:366011)

On thing I have found with Cart is they carried on the one attitude which prevailed before the split (McDaddy can you remind me when that was?) Having had the privagage of marrshalling both before and after I must say Cart have carried on the tradition of treating their volanteer marshals with respect and friendlyness. From Jonny Rutherford to Dario I have always been welcomed in their teams.
Working a race for the TG empire however is like working for McDonnalds - you get the scrapings off the floor.

Bizzo5000 · 26 Aug 2002, 16:10 (Ref:366031)

So when is TG gonna start this All-American oval racing series? I've heard rumours about it for a while now. Lets see. Let's have an All-American oval racing series........with Brazilians.....and in Japan.....with a couple of road courses thrown in. Sound familiar? Sounds like someone cwawling back to the fold.

JohnSSC · 26 Aug 2002, 17:13 (Ref:366081)

This item was posted by Jay on the IRL site but to paraphrase Scheckter quit due to his team not notifying him of a blistering tire, which failed sending him to the wall.

I love racing and have tried to watch IRL with an open mind but the whole evolution of this "All American, open wheel oval series" populated by Giaffone, Scheckter, Salazar et al and such great American racers such as Billy Boat and John Paul, Jr. makes me sick. Especially when I have to listen to Paul Page making some kind of shrill declaration every 18 seconds or so about what a great driver/team such and so is. Especially when the cameras almost NEVER pan the audience. Grandstands were full at Montreal.

TG needs to find a new hobby - if he has any money left from propping-up this farce and paying the likes of Al Jr just so he gets some name-recognition.

CART is in trouble - no doubt. But I will put my money on Chris Pook turning it around.

Dave S · 26 Aug 2002, 18:12 (Ref:366109)

Right on John, & Flatspot. I'd also concentrate on the other true road racing series. Switched over to the IRL race a few times during commercials & it is just non-interesting to me.If that's your thing, Okey-Dokey, go with it & quit obsessing with destroying the series we here enjoy.
Rush, you just don't get it. If CART goes away (& I still say it won't) TIG has won NOTHING! The real winners are Lord Bernie & the France family. They have severely damaged CART, the series that was their stiffest competitor. IRL will at best be on a level of a 2nd or third tier support series. Bernie retains the International audience + American road racing fans & the Frances strengthen their stranglehold on American roundy-round fans. Even if TIG could find a way to even remotely look like becoming a threat (Bigger than NASCAR/F1 in 5 years, INDEED! LOL) they both have the means to hit him hard & fast right where he lives. Now be a good boy & go back to your own Forum.

Liz · 26 Aug 2002, 18:37 (Ref:366125)

At Michigan International Speedway, Tony George guaranteed a full fare paying gate of 60,000 -- he promised to make up the difference out of his own pocket if it did not turn out that way.

MIS had 20,000 paying customers for the full race weekend. In Montreal we had more than that by 10:30 a.m. on the first day of the weekend.

And unlike the IRL, as Chris Pook put it without naming The Opposition by name, we did not force anyone to buy a ticket to our race to get a ticket they really wanted to another race. Every single person who came to the race at Montreal (and Toronto) was there as a fare-paying volunteer.

So whatever it is that Tony George "won" it sure is costing him a

load of money to maintain it.

I think this thread could be closed without disturbing too many minds, don't you?

macdaddy · 27 Aug 2002, 00:09 (Ref:366328)

Flatspot wrote...

"It was everything I could do not to reply with a "Who Cares" post but out of respect for those who enjoy the IRL I refrained."

Right on, man. This should be a place to talk about the sport you love, not to trash the sport others love. Thankfully, there's only one person hanging around who just don't get it.

Me? I've been watching some IRL this year, whenever it is convenient for me. But I won't go out of my way or plan my day around it like I do CART. The racing over there has been pretty competitive this year, and I watch only because of my love for open-wheel. But let me tell you this: The IRL will never get a single dollar from me. I'll never attend, I'll never buy merchandise, and if the Neilson Ratings people ever attach a box to my TV, I simply won't watch anymore. I think I've made my little "statement" simply by not going to MIS this year. Really, that's all I can do.

rush1 · 27 Aug 2002, 00:33 (Ref:366334)

Tony George's victory is owning the only major open wheel racing series in North America once CART is kaput. He will control merchandising, television rights, sanctioning fees, portolets at the track, ticket revenue and everything else associated with his series. Getting rid of CART chokes off his competition.

He will add some road races and end all that nonsense about an open wheel series for American open wheel drivers. The rest can watch the F1 parades and J. Gordon turn laps.

As I said before, Honda, Toyota, Penske and Green are flocking to the IRL so who the hell cares what you call it. It will be the same actors on a different stage when the rest come over.

And look, CART is not a country or some religious institution, just a diminished racing series. In twenty years it might warrant a trivial pursuit question.

I just hope some of the fashion designers, aspiring rock stars and F1 dreamers stay out of the IRL.

fordtc87 · 27 Aug 2002, 00:37 (Ref:366336)

rush go away, if you have nothing but pathetic posts then just quite writting in our forum. We KNOW that Cart is the superior series and we are not going to waste our time hearing you whine.

macdaddy · 27 Aug 2002, 00:41 (Ref:366337)

"I just hope some of the fashion designers, aspiring rock stars and F1 dreamers stay out of the IRL."

...To make room for more dentists.

macdaddy · 27 Aug 2002, 00:52 (Ref:366339)

A rather tardy answer for Race Gypsy...
There was one series in 95. JV won Indy and the championship. They split for the 96 season.

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