2010 GT2 in Europe: FIA vs. LMS vs. GT Open

ger80 · 24 Oct 2009, 12:02 (Ref:2568635)

What will be the GT2 series to follow next year?
FIA will be ProAm, so most of the works drivers will be in LMS?
Think GT Open could also be more attractive than SRO FIA GT2...

Subaru_WRX_STi · 24 Oct 2009, 13:01 (Ref:2568663)

FIA European GT2 could be good series, and yes Pro-Am could bring the bests to Le Mans Series, as we wont see pairing like this year ; Westy/Collard, Bruni/Vilander, Bell/Kirkaldy....shame ! the Le Mans Series too has strong teams and drivers ! as for GT Open, never being fan of it...

**FIRE** · 24 Oct 2009, 13:18 (Ref:2568673)

Isn't GT Open Pro-Am too?

Speed-King · 24 Oct 2009, 13:30 (Ref:2568679)

Correct, GT-Open is Pro-Am as well.

ger80 · 24 Oct 2009, 13:54 (Ref:2568688)

But Ratel wants 50 kg additional ballast if you run a full pro driver independed of the status of the second driver. That will bring some pro driver out of job ...

Purist · 24 Oct 2009, 17:37 (Ref:2568783)

Is that any different than what we have now? I mean, don't the full pro cars already have 50kg ballast added anyway?

Speed-King · 24 Oct 2009, 17:42 (Ref:2568785)

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Originally Posted by Purist

Is that any different than what we have now? I mean, don't the full pro cars already have 50kg ballast added anyway?

AIUI, the new rules won't allow Platinum-Platinum-combinations and add 50kgs already when a Platinum-driver is paired with someone slower.

Marcel ten Caat · 24 Oct 2009, 21:12 (Ref:2568893)

GT Open is pro-am already and Le Mans Series GT2 is rumoured to become pro-am like FIA GT2...

Guess we'll have to wait and see what solution they come up with...

cmk · 24 Oct 2009, 21:51 (Ref:2568911)

Oh why oh why could we not all have stuck with GT2 as a top class? Why have a class with works-built cars from Porsche, Ferrari, Corvette and BMW and no all-pro works driver lineups? Crazy. I thought GT Open and the various national GT3 championships had that niche filled already.

**FIRE** · 25 Oct 2009, 09:02 (Ref:2569197)

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Originally Posted by cmk

Oh why oh why could we not all have stuck with GT2 as a top class? Why have a class with works-built cars from Porsche, Ferrari, Corvette and BMW and no all-pro works driver lineups? Crazy. I thought GT Open and the various national GT3 championships had that niche filled already.

CMK for FIA president!

johntt · 25 Oct 2009, 15:57 (Ref:2569428)

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Originally Posted by cmk

Oh why oh why could we not all have stuck with GT2 as a top class? Why have a class with works-built cars from Porsche, Ferrari, Corvette and BMW and no all-pro works driver lineups? Crazy. I thought GT Open and the various national GT3 championships had that niche filled already.

Whats needed is a World GT Championship running just GT2 cars.

Limit the works cars to two per manufacturer and have an independents cup like the WTCC has.

re. tracks, I'd have the following (all 500km races unless stated):

1. San Luis 600km
*Sebring 12 Hours*
2. Silverstone 4 Hours
3. Algarve
4. Brno
5. Donington
6. Monza
*Le Mans 24 Hours*
7. Spa 24 Hours
8. Nurburgring
9. Mugello
10. Autopolis
*Petit Le Mans*
11. Interlagos 1000 Miles (Mil Milhas Brasilieras)
12. Eastern Creek 600km

Speed-King · 25 Oct 2009, 16:08 (Ref:2569429)

Am I the only one who thinks that the GT2-reglement has one - with a lot of luck two - more good seasons in it, before it's going to collapse due to manufacturers outspending eachother?
The 1 million $ Corvettes (I am only slightly exaggerating) and Ferrari developing an Evo-version of their car during the season look like pretty alarming signals to me.

Dead-Eye · 25 Oct 2009, 16:34 (Ref:2569439)

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Originally Posted by Speed-King

Am I the only one who thinks that the GT2-reglement has one - with a lot of luck two - more good seasons in it, before it's going to collapse due to manufacturers outspending eachother?
The 1 million $ Corvettes (I am only slightly exaggerating) and Ferrari developing an Evo-version of their car during the season look like pretty alarming signals to me.

One year might be a bit pessimistic, but I agree in principle. It's going to get too expensive soon.

Dani Filth · 25 Oct 2009, 16:38 (Ref:2569440)

so let's enjoy it while it lasts .. like we did with the BPR and the late 90s GT1's ..
and hope we come to a situation like this again .. i guess it's just natural

Jonerz · 25 Oct 2009, 17:01 (Ref:2569454)

I'm not so pessimistic about it. I see the rules lasting a few years. But who knows, these cycles are not uncommon to racing, not to mention it isn't exclusively cost that makes certain categories unpopular in the favor of manufacturers and teams alike. From my perspective, GT2 looks very healthy for the foreseeable future.

Chris

Satorian · 27 Oct 2009, 12:16 (Ref:2570704)

I think current GT2 will last three to four years at least. Taking into consideration that LMS will be the only series with all-pro lineups, that's what I'm going to pay most attention to. Probably followed by the FIA GT2 EC, expecting it to have a full and fairly diverse field.

pablocomics · 27 Oct 2009, 13:27 (Ref:2570757)

It´s impossible a world championshp without constructors and just with a pro-am championship because it´s a really expensive competition.

Fia gt is becoming to a suicidal/too-much-expensive championship with all those travels.GTopen is a pro-am european championship, like the old european fia GT. Euro open GT just replaced the old and needed Euro-Fia.

arakis · 27 Oct 2009, 22:08 (Ref:2571025)

ALMS GT2 will stay all pro wright

cmk · 28 Oct 2009, 02:08 (Ref:2571118)

It is not IMSA's way to regulate the GT2 class to a pro-am format, especially when they have the Challenge classes for that. I think they devoutly want to take advantage of the strong factory presence and the entertainment that provides. They won't look a gift horse in the mouth.

old man · 28 Oct 2009, 10:45 (Ref:2571312)

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Originally Posted by cmk

Oh why oh why could we not all have stuck with GT2 as a top class? Why have a class with works-built cars from Porsche, Ferrari, Corvette and BMW and no all-pro works driver lineups? Crazy. I thought GT Open and the various national GT3 championships had that niche filled already.

SRO will struggle to get enough paying drivers who now have so many choices. This can only boost the already healthy LMS. I would like to see FIA GT2 run as this year without the rule for 2 pitstops, I might even say that it should not have an expectation to run 2 drivers if it stays at 2 hours?

Just imagine works drivers in these cars for a 2 hour straight race, it would make great TV as well

NaBUru38 · 28 Oct 2009, 14:42 (Ref:2571474)

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Originally Posted by johntt

Whats needed is a World GT Championship running just GT2 cars.

Limit the works cars to two per manufacturer and have an independents cup like the WTCC has.

That's very similar to the GT1 World Championship, except no works teams, the car rules and a few circuits.

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Originally Posted by pablocomics

Fia gt is becoming to a suicidal/too-much-expensive championship with all those travels.

What did you expect of a World Championship, to race only in Europe? There are enough European grand touring series for that.

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Originally Posted by pablocomics

Euro open GT just replaced the old and needed Euro-Fia.

And what about the FIA European GT2 and GT3 Championships?

helgi · 7 Nov 2009, 10:15 (Ref:2577518)

http://www.motorsport-magazin.com/mo...elfaeltig.html

Westbrook says it's not working, when the series becomes semi-professional. Am I right?

Besides, Richard will drive in ALMS, as I understand.

Dauer 962 · 7 Nov 2009, 11:33 (Ref:2577554)

He says it would be a problem when not two pros will share one car as this could be negative for the series. And he isn’t not sure if the series works with a Pro-Am-concept.

ALMS is an option for him, as well s GT1-WC or FIA GT, he says he is open for everything, beside Supercup or Carrera Cup.

NightStalk3r · 7 Nov 2009, 18:36 (Ref:2577747)

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Originally Posted by helgi

Richard will drive in ALMS, as I understand.

Richard will be doing many things next year

GT-Eins · 6 Dec 2009, 21:39 (Ref:2595069)

Is there yet any idea or overview which teams may participate in next years FIA-GT2-EM ?

(I think I saw one list in this forum but cannot find that now)

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