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1985 Trimoco RAC British Saloon Car Championship - Discussion & Results
Here's my results of the 1985 RAC Trimoco British Touring Car Championship.
Class A: 2501-3500 cc Class B: 1601-2500 cc Class C: 1001-1600 cc (possible 0-1600 cc) A Ford commercial anno 1985: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMuwiR3-EtY Round 1 – March 23, 1985 at Silverstone 1./ #9 / Frank Sytner / Sytner / A / BMW 635CSi, 20 laps in 35m19.17s, class winner 2./ #11 / Neil McGrath / unknown / A / Rover Vitesse, 20 laps in 35m30.88s 3./ #2 / Peter Hall / Rouse / A / Rover Vitesse, 20 laps in 36m00.64s 4./ #31 / Graham Goode / Goode / B / Nissan Bluebird Turbo, 20 laps in 36m21.82, class winner 5./ #7 / Barry Sheene / HofB / A / Toyota Celica Supra, 20 laps in 36m35.81s 6./ #32 / Rob Kirby / Dooley / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6, 20 laps in 36m36.31s 7./ #30 / Jon Dooley / Dooley / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6, 20 laps in 36m51.79s 8./ #8 / Brian Chatfield / Chatfield / A / Ford Capri 3.0S, 20 laps in 37m51.26s 9./ #74 / Richard Belcher / John Jeffrey / C / Ford Escort RS1600i, 19 laps, class winner 10./ #69 / Chris Hodgetts / Brooklyn / C / Ford Escort RS1600i, 19 laps 11./ #79 / John Morris / Brooklyn / C / Ford Escort RS1600i, 19 laps 12./ #77 / Geoff Kimber-Smith / C / Toyota Corolla GT, 19 laps 13./ #66 / Alan Curnow / Longman / C / Ford Escort RS1600i, 19 laps DNF / #?? / Steve Soper / unknown / B / MG Metro Turbo, 1 lap, engine DNF / #40 / Phil Dowsett / Drury / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6, 0 laps, engine DNS / #62 / Tony Crudgington / Crudgington / C / Toyota Corolla GT, accident DNS / #65 / Stig Gruen / Gruen / C / Toyota Corolla GT, engine DNS / #41 / Terry Drury / Drury / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6, engine Round 2 – April 5, 1985 at Oulton Park 1./ #1 / Andy Rouse / Rouse / A / Ford Sierra XR4Ti ? / #7 / Barry Sheene / HofB / A / Toyota Celica Supra DNF / #8 / Brian Chatfield / Chatfield / A / Ford Capri 3.0S Round 3 – April 8, 1985 at Thruxton 1./ #5 / David Brodie / Brodie / A / Mitsubishi Starion Turbo ? / #8 / Brian Chatfield / Chatfield / A / Ford Capri 3.0S, either a DNS or disqaulified after the race. Round 4 – May 5, 1985 at Donington Park 1./ #1 / Andy Rouse / Rouse / A / Ford Sierra XR4Ti, 20 laps in 27m13.14s 2./ #5 / David Brodie / Brodie / A / Mitsubishi Starion Turbo, 20 laps in 27:20.11s 3./ #11 / Neil McGrath / unknown / A / Rover Vitesse, 20 laps in 27m25.93s 4./ #9 / Frank Sytner / Sytner / A / BMW 635CSi, 20 laps in 27m28.93s 5./ #31 / Graham Goode / B / Nissan Bluebird Turbo, 20 laps in 28m00.09s 6./ #2 / Peter Hall / A / Rover Vitesse, 20 laps in 28m07.13s 7./ #30 / Jon Dooley / Dooley / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6, 20 laps in 28m08.21s 8./ #40 / Phil Dowsett / Drury / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6, 20 laps in 28m17.85s 9./ #32 / Rob Kirby / Dooley / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6, 20 laps in 28m22.69s 10./ #69 / Chris Hodgetts / Brooklyn / C / Ford Escort RS1600i, 19 laps, class winner 11./ #66 / Alan Curnow / Longman / C / Ford Escort RS1600i, 19 laps 12./ #41 / Terry Drury / Drury / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6, 19 laps 13./ #70 / Patrick Watts / North Essex Garage / C / Ford Escort RS1600i, 19 laps 14./ #79 / John Morris / Brooklyn / C / Ford Escort RS1600i, 14 laps DNF / #7 / Barry Sheene / BofH / A / Toyota Celica Supra, 13 laps DNF / #74 / Richard Belcher / John Jeffrey / C / Ford Escort RS1600i, 0 laps DNS / #77 / Geoff Kimber-Smith / Kimber-Smith / C / Toyota Corolla GT Round 6 – June 9, 1985 at Silverstone 1./ #1 / Andy Rouse / Rouse / A / Ford Sierra XR4Ti pole: #5 / David Brodie / Brodie / A / Mitsubishi Starion Turbo Round 7 – July 14, 1985 at Donington Park 1./ #1 / Andy Rouse / Rouse / A / Ford Sierra XR4Ti, 20 laps in 27m16.84s, class winner 2./ #5 / David Brodie / Brodie / A / Mitsubishi Starion Turbo, 20 laps in 27m20.11s 3./ #31 / Graham Goode / Goode / B / Nissan Bluebird Turbo, 20 laps in 27m36.42s, class winner 4./ #11 / Neil McGrath / unknown / A / Rover Vitesse, 20 laps in 27m36.99s 5./ #7 / Barry Sheene / HofB / A / Toyota Celica Supra, 20 laps in 27m37.56s 6./ #9 / Frank Sytner / Sytner / A / BMW 635CSi, 20 laps in 27m47.49 7./ #12 / Mike Newman / Newman / A / BMW 635CSi, 20 laps in 28m01.48s 8./ #44 / Richard Longman / Longman / B / Ford Escort RS Turbo, 20 laps in 28m05.58s 9./ #30 / Jon Dooley / Dooley / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6, 20 laps in 28m09.23s 10./ #?? / Mark Hales / unknown / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6, 20 laps in 28m17.92s 11./ #32 / Rob Kirby / Dooley / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6, 20 laps in 28m20.46s 12./ #40 / Phil Dowsett / Drury / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6, 20 laps in 28m32.05s 13./ #8 / Brian Chatfield / Chatfield / A / BMW 635CSi, 19 laps 14./ #69 / Chris Hodgetts / Brooklyn / C / Ford Escort RS1600i, 19 laps, class winner 15./ #79 / John Morris / Brooklyn / C / Ford Escort RS1600i, 19 laps 16./ #2 / Peter Hall / Rouse / A / Rover Vitesse, 19 laps 17./ #77 / Geoff Kimber-Smith / Kimber-Smith / C / Toyota Corolla GT, 19 laps 18./ #62 / Tony Crudgington / Crudgington / C / Toyota Corolla GT, 18 laps DNF / #66 / Alan Curnow / Longman / C / Ford Escort RS1600i, 11 laps DNF / #74 / Richard Belcher / John Jeffrey / C / Ford Escort RS1600i, 10 laps Round 8 – July 21, 1985 as a British Grand Prix support race at Silverstone Another Andy Rouse win but recently found a link to the entry list. As I haven't anything beyond Rouse as the winner, the entry list seems more appropriate to list. Class A: #1 / Andy Rouse / Industrial Control Services Ltd / Ford Sierra XR4Ti #2 / Peter Hall / Industrial Control Services Ltd / Rover Vitesse #4 / Dennis Leech / Dennis Leech / Rover Vitesse #5 / David Brodie / Mitsubishi Colt Racing / Mitsubishi Starion Turbo #6 / Jonanthan Buncombe / Mitsubishi Colt Racing / Mitsubishi Starion Turbo #7 / Barry Sheene / Team Toyota GB-Hughes of Beaconsfield / Toyota Celica Supra #8 / Brian Chatfield / Brian Chatfield / BMW 635CSi #9 / Frank Sytner / Sytner BMW Racing with GSi / BMW 635CSi #11 / Neil McGrath / Castrol Racing with Connells Estate Agents plc / Rover Vitesse #12 / Mike Newman / Burlington Wallcoverings Ltd / BMW 635CSi #14 / Barrie Williams / Sytner BMW Racing with GSi / BMW 635CSi #15 / Klaus Niedzwiedz / Radio Paging / Ford Sierra XR4Ti Class B: #10 / Mike Smith / Ilford Photo / Ford Escort RS Turbo #30 / Jon Dooley / Napolina Alfa Romeo Dealer Team / Alfa Romeo GTV6 #31 / Graham Goode / Graham Goode / Nissan Bluebird Turbo #32 / Rob Kirby / John West Foods / Alfa Romeo GTV6 #33 / Alan Minshaw / Demon Tweeks Race Accessories – Triple C Magazine / VW Golf GTI #40 / Phil Dowsett / Terry Drury Racing / Alfa Romeo GTV6 #41 / Terry Drury / Terry Drury Racing / Alfa Romeo GTV6 #44 / Richard Longman / Royal Mail Datapost / Ford Escort RS Turbo Class C: #62 / Tony Crudgington / Crudgington / Toyota Corolla GT #63 / Frank De Karl Jones / Autocar Magazine with Marshall Asquith / Ford Escort RS1600i #65 / Stig Gruen / Stig Gruen / Toyota Corolla GT #66 / Alan Curnow / Royal Mail Datapost / Ford Escort RS1600i #69 / Chris Hodgetts / Brooklyn Motorsport-ECS / Ford Escort RS1600i #70 / Patrick Watts / North Essex Motorsport / Ford Escort RS1600i #74 / Richard Belcher / John Jeffreys Engineering Ltd / Ford Escort RS1600i #77 / Geoff Kimber-Smith / AGK Motorsport / Toyota Corolla GT #79 / John Morris / Brooklyn Motorsport-ECS / Ford Escort RS1600i #84 / Barry Lee / Barry Lee / Ford Escort RS1600i #85 / Alex Moss / Brooklyn Motorsport-ECS / Ford Escort RS1600i Round 9 – August 11, 1985 at Snetterton 1./ #1 / Andy Rouse / Rouse / A / Ford Sierra XR4Ti pole / #5 / David Brodie / Brodie / A / Mitsubishi Starion Turbo Round 10 – August 26, 1985 at Brands Hatch 1./ #? / Tom Walkinshaw / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse, starting from pole 2./ #1 / Andy Rouse / Rouse / A / Ford Sierra XR4Ti 3./ #5 / David Brodie / Brodie / A / Mitsubishi Starion Turbo Round 11 – October 6, 1985 at Brands Hatch 1./ #1 / Andy Rouse / Rouse / A / Ford Sierra XR4Ti 2./ #? / David Sears / Rouse / A / Ford Sierra XR4Ti 3./ #5 / David Brodie / Brodie / A / Mitsubishi Starion Turbo 4./ #9 / Frank Sytner / Sytner / A / BMW 635CSi 5./ #12 / Mike Newman / Newman / A / BMW 635CSi ? / #8 / Brian Chatfield / Chatfield / A / BMW 635CSi Round 12 – October 13, 1985 at Silverstone 1./ #1 / Andy Rouse / Rouse / A / Ford Sierra XR4Ti DNF / #8 / Brian Chatfield / A/ Ford Capri 3.0S, electrics This commence my 1985 season. Slightly more information than 1984, but still a lot of gaps to fill. Jesper |
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Round 8 – July 21, 1985 as a British Grand Prix support race at Silverstone
Class A: 1/.#1 / Andy Rouse / Industrial Control Services Ltd / Ford Sierra XR4Ti 2./#5 / David Brodie / Mitsubishi Colt Racing / Mitsubishi Starion Turbo 3./#15 / Klaus Niedzwiedz / Radio Paging / Ford Sierra XR4Ti 4./#11 / Neil McGrath / Castrol Racing with Connells Estate Agents plc / Rover Vitesse 5./#44 / Richard Longman / Royal Mail Datapost / Ford Escort RS Turbo- 1st class B 6./#30 / Jon Dooley / Napolina Alfa Romeo Dealer Team / Alfa Romeo GTV6 7./#2 / Peter Hall / Industrial Control Services Ltd / Rover Vitesse 8./#41 / Mark Hales / Terry Drury Racing / Alfa Romeo GTV6 9./#40 / Phil Dowsett / Terry Drury Racing / Alfa Romeo GTV6 10./#32 / Rob Kirby / John West Foods / Alfa Romeo GTV6 11./#8 / Brian Chatfield / Brian Chatfield / BMW 635CSi 12./#33 / Alan Minshaw / Demon Tweeks Race Accessories – Triple C Magazine / VW Golf GTI 13./#69 / Chris Hodgetts / Brooklyn Motorsport-ECS / Ford Escort RS1600i- 1st class C 14./#77 / Geoff Kimber-Smith / AGK Motorsport / Toyota Corolla GT 15./#4 / Dennis Leech / Dennis Leech / Rover Vitesse 16./#62 / Tony Crudgington / Crudgington / Toyota Corolla GT 17./#10 / Mike Smith / Ilford Photo / Ford Escort RS Turbo 18./#63 / Karl Jones / Autocar Magazine with Marshall Asquith / Ford Escort RS1600i 19./#84 / Barry Lee / Barry Lee / Ford Escort RS1600i DNF./#9 / Frank Sytner / Sytner BMW Racing with GSi / BMW 635CSi DNF./#79 / John Morris / Brooklyn Motorsport-ECS / Ford Escort RS1600i DNF./#7 / Barry Sheene / Team Toyota GB-Hughes of Beaconsfield / Toyota Celica Supra DNF./#6 / Vern Schuppan / Mitsubishi Colt Racing / Mitsubishi Starion Turbo DNF./#66 / Alan Curnow / Royal Mail Datapost / Ford Escort RS1600i DNF./#74 / Richard Belcher / John Jeffreys Engineering Ltd / Ford Escort RS1600i DNF./#70 / Patrick Watts / North Essex Motorsport / Ford Escort RS1600i DNF./#85 / Alex Moss / Brooklyn Motorsport-ECS / Ford Escort RS1600i DQ./#31 / Graham Goode / Graham Goode / Nissan Bluebird Turbo (5th on the road) DNS./#65 / Stig Gruen / Stig Gruen / Toyota Corolla GT DNS./#12 / Mike Newman / Burlington Wallcoverings Ltd / BMW 635CSi A couple of changes from the entry list-Vern Schuppan appeared in the 2nd Starion, rather than Buncombe, and Mark Hales took over the second TDR Alfa from team boss Drury. Sytner's second 635 for Barrie Williams was a no-show I'll post the rest later |
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Thanks a lot, KA. Your help is much appreciatet! Do you have notes about fastest lap on a class-by-class basis, as that was worth 1 bonus point?
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Found another couple of race results though. Round 9- Snetterton 11 Aug 1985 1./#1/Andy Rouse/Rouse/A/Ford Sierra XR4Ti 2./#11/Neil McGrath/Linden/A/Rover Vitesse 3./#9/Frank Sytner/Sytner/A/BMW 635CSi 4./#44/Richard Longman/Datapost/B/Ford Escort RS Turbo- 1st Class B 5./#2/Peter Hall/Rouse/A/Rover Vitesse 6./#31/Graham Goode/Goode/B/Nissan Bluebird Turbo 7./#40/Phil Dowsett/Drury/B/Alfa Romeo GTV6 8./#32/Rob Kirby/ARDT/B/Alfa Romeo GTV6 9./#41/Mark Hales/Drury/B/Alfa Romeo GTV6 10./#69/Chris Hodgetts/Brooklyn/C/Ford Escort RS1600i- 1st Class C 11./#74/Richard Belcher/Jeffreys/C/Ford Escort RS1600i 12./#62/Tony Crudgington/Crudgington/C/Toyota Corolla GT 13./#66/Alan Curnow/Datapost/C/Ford Escort RS1600i 14./#79/John Morris/Brooklyn/C/Ford Escort RS1600i 15./#85/Alex Moss/Brooklyn/C/Ford Escort RS1600i 16./#70/Patrick Watts/North Essex/C/Ford Escort RS1600i DNF/#5/Dave Brodie/Brodie/A/Mitusbishi Starion Turbo DNF/#30/Jon Dooley/ARDT/B/Alfa Romeo GTV6 DNF/#7/Barry Sheene/Hughes/A/Toyota Celica Supra DNF/#84/Barry Lee/Lee/C/Ford Escort RS1600i DNF/#77/Geoff KimberSmith/AGK/C/Toyota Corolla GT |
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Round 10- Brands Hatch, 26 Aug 1985
1./#3/Tom Walkinshaw/TWR/A/Rover Vitesse 2./#1/Andy Rouse/Rouse/A/Ford Sierra XR4Ti 3./#5/Dave Brodie/Brodie/A/Mitsubishi Starion Turbo 4./#7/Barry Sheene/Hughes/A/Toyota Celica Supra 5./#2/Peter Hall/Rouse/A/Rover Vitesse 6./#31/Graham Goode/Goode/B/Nissan Bluebird Turbo- 1st Class B 7./#44/Richard Longman/Datapost/B/Ford Escort RSTurbo 8./#69/Chris Hodgetts/Brooklyn/C/Ford Escort RS1600i- 1st Class C 9./#66/Alan Curnow/Datapost/C/Ford Escort RS1600i 10./#74/Richard Belcher/Jeffreys/C/Ford Escort RS1600i 11./#79/John Morris/Brooklyn/C/Ford Escort RS1600i 12./#77/Geoff Kimber-Smith/AGK/C/Toyota Corolla GT 13./#70/Patrick Watts/North Essex/C/Ford Escort RS1600i 14./#62/Tony Crudgington/Crudgington/C/Toyota Corolla GT 15./#85/Alex Moss/Brooklyn/C/Ford Escort RS1600i DNF/#32/Rob Kirby/ARDT/B/Alfa Romeo GTV6 DNF/#12/Mike Newman/Burlington/A/BMW635CSi DNF/#30/Jon Dooley/ARDT/B/Alfa Romeo GTV6 DNF/#65/Stig Gruen/Gruen/C/Toyota Corolla GT Pole- Walkinshaw Fastest Laps- A- Brodie, B- Goode, C-Hodgetts |
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Cracking work there KA!!
Easy to forget that whilst 1985 was a generally poor year in terms of quantity, at certain rounds there was definitely quality in the driver line up, particularly in the big class! It leads me back to the point we've made in other threads, if only ARG and BMW GB hadn't withdrawn in 1984 etc, etc..... BTW, wonder why Walkinshaw entered a Bastos car at that '85 Brands race, not sure we confirmed this in the Vitesse thread? Was it a shakedown for a new chassis set for ETC duty, or showing it off to a potential buyer? Or as has been mooted, him liking to remind the series organisers what they were missing!! Last edited by chunterer; 20 Jan 2010 at 11:13. |
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I can only agree with chunterer.
Regarding The Walkinshaw victory, he didn't receive any points by the look of it. I guess he wasn't registrated for the championship and thus didn't score the 9 points for victory. But did second placed Andy Rouse get 9 points as best registrated driver or 6 points for finishing second in the race? Graham Goode was disqualified from round 8. Was the penalty two maximum scores as was the case a few years later? Otherwise he would have won class B convincingly. Jesper |
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Before I continue with another season, I have a few random remarks about the 1985 season.
One is about variety: three classes provided plenty of different models. I think this is what the modern single class saloon/touring car championships lack. Didn't know much about Patrick Watts before his 1990s Super Touring exploits and very flamboyant driving style. Obviously class winning potential in the previous seasons with the MG Metro Turbo, but never seemed to be in the hunt here in 1985 in the North Essex Motorsport Ford Escort RS1600i. Was the car simply not up to scratch compared to the other Escorts, as Watts scored a single third at round 4 at Donington. Richard Belcher is not a name I'm familiar with but winning class C on four occations taking second in class from Alan Curnow in the Datapost Escort. Is the John Jeffreys Engineering Escort the same white/blue/red car that ended down under in late 1986? Always thought of John Morris as a Volkswagen racer, but here he's racing a second Brooklyn Escort. Looking at class B, the turbo cars of Graham Goode and later Richard Longman was streets ahead of the ageing Alfa GTV6s. Four of those raced on a regular basis. The Terry Drury cars seems to have disappeared towards the end of the year though. Of the class A runners, I'm most impressed by Neil McGrath finishing third in class. Again a driver I know little of but he finished all his 11 starts, somehow missing at round 10 at Brands Hatch in August. Enough of that, as I will look a 1983 installment for tomorrow likely. Jesper |
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Chatfield - incurred penalty for missing chicane Belcher 19 laps 35m 36.38 Hodgetts 19 laps 35m 41.42 Morris 19 laps 35m 42.07 Smith 19 laps 36m 25.18 Curnow 19 laps 36m 49.17 Fastest laps A - McGrath 1m40.65/104.87mph B - Goode 1m44.02/101.47mph C - Belcher 1m48.50/97.28mph |
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AFAIK Belcher's John Jeffreys Engineering RS1600i (as you say, think it was an ex-Datapost car) was sold to Australia or NZ at the end of '85, and went on to race at Bathurst in '86 with Andrew Bagnall- Belcher then moved to Prodsaloons with a effreys-backed RS Turbo for '86. He popped up on occasion in Julian May's North Essex Motorsport RS1600i as well if memory serves
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AFAIK, it was reshelled, but from what I've read (think it was discussed fairly extensively on one of the Ford RS forums a while ago- the car is still around and owned by an RSOC member) it was a pretty frantic affair, with the car still being finished in the paddock at the next round! |
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Round 2 – April 5, 1985 at Oulton ParkPole Sheene 1m31.20
1./ #1 / Andy Rouse / Rouse / A / Ford Sierra XR4Ti ? / #7 / Barry Sheene / HofB / A / Toyota Celica Supra DNF / #8 / Brian Chatfield / Chatfield / A / Ford Capri 3.0S Fastest laps A - Brodie 1m30.35/93.87 mph B - Dooley 1m32.40/91.79 mph record C - Belcher 1m35.34/88.96mph Round 3 – April 8, 1985 at ThruxtonPole Brodie 1m25.26 1./ #5 / David Brodie / Brodie / A / Mitsubishi Starion Turbo ? / #8 / Brian Chatfield / Chatfield / A / Ford Capri 3.0S, either a DNS or disqaulified after the race. Fastest laps A - Brodie 1m27.56/96.86mph B - Kirby 1m 29.79/94.46mph C - Belcher 1m31.50/92.69mph Round 4 – May 5, 1985 at Donington Park Pole Brodie 1m17.33 1./ #1 / Andy Rouse / Rouse / A / Ford Sierra XR4Ti, 20 laps in 27m13.14s 2./ #5 / David Brodie / Brodie / A / Mitsubishi Starion Turbo, 20 laps in 27:20.11s 3./ #11 / Neil McGrath / unknown / A / Rover Vitesse, 20 laps in 27m25.93s 4./ #9 / Frank Sytner / Sytner / A / BMW 635CSi, 20 laps in 27m28.93s 5./ #31 / Graham Goode / B / Nissan Bluebird Turbo, 20 laps in 28m00.09s 6./ #2 / Peter Hall / A / Rover Vitesse, 20 laps in 28m07.13s 7./ #30 / Jon Dooley / Dooley / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6, 20 laps in 28m08.21s 8./ #40 / Phil Dowsett / Drury / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6, 20 laps in 28m17.85s 9./ #32 / Rob Kirby / Dooley / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6, 20 laps in 28m22.69s 10./ #69 / Chris Hodgetts / Brooklyn / C / Ford Escort RS1600i, 19 laps, class winner 11./ #66 / Alan Curnow / Longman / C / Ford Escort RS1600i, 19 laps 12./ #41 / Terry Drury / Drury / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6, 19 laps 13./ #70 / Patrick Watts / North Essex Garage / C / Ford Escort RS1600i, 19 laps 14./ #79 / John Morris / Brooklyn / C / Ford Escort RS1600i, 14 laps DNF / #7 / Barry Sheene / BofH / A / Toyota Celica Supra, 13 laps DNF / #74 / Richard Belcher / John Jeffrey / C / Ford Escort RS1600i, 0 laps DNS / #77 / Geoff Kimber-Smith / Kimber-Smith / C / Toyota Corolla GT Fastest laps A - Rouse 1m20.11/87.95mph B - Goode 1m22.10/85.82mph C - Curnow 1m25.22/82.68mph Round 6 – June 9, 1985 at SilverstonePole Brodie 1m35.32 1./ #1 / Andy Rouse / Rouse / A / Ford Sierra XR4Ti pole: #5 / David Brodie / Brodie / A / Mitsubishi Starion Turbo Fastest laps A - Rouse 1m38.36/107.51mph record B - Longman 1m42.59/102.88mph record C - Curnow 1m47.10/98.55mph Round 7 – July 14, 1985 at Donington Park Pole Rouse 1m19.40 1./ #1 / Andy Rouse / Rouse / A / Ford Sierra XR4Ti, 20 laps in 27m16.84s, class winner 2./ #5 / David Brodie / Brodie / A / Mitsubishi Starion Turbo, 20 laps in 27m20.11s 3./ #31 / Graham Goode / Goode / B / Nissan Bluebird Turbo, 20 laps in 27m36.42s, class winner 4./ #11 / Neil McGrath / unknown / A / Rover Vitesse, 20 laps in 27m36.99s 5./ #7 / Barry Sheene / HofB / A / Toyota Celica Supra, 20 laps in 27m37.56s 6./ #9 / Frank Sytner / Sytner / A / BMW 635CSi, 20 laps in 27m47.49 7./ #12 / Mike Newman / Newman / A / BMW 635CSi, 20 laps in 28m01.48s 8./ #44 / Richard Longman / Longman / B / Ford Escort RS Turbo, 20 laps in 28m05.58s 9./ #30 / Jon Dooley / Dooley / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6, 20 laps in 28m09.23s 10./ #?? / Mark Hales / unknown / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6, 20 laps in 28m17.92s 11./ #32 / Rob Kirby / Dooley / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6, 20 laps in 28m20.46s 12./ #40 / Phil Dowsett / Drury / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6, 20 laps in 28m32.05s 13./ #8 / Brian Chatfield / Chatfield / A / BMW 635CSi, 19 laps 14./ #69 / Chris Hodgetts / Brooklyn / C / Ford Escort RS1600i, 19 laps, class winner 15./ #79 / John Morris / Brooklyn / C / Ford Escort RS1600i, 19 laps 16./ #2 / Peter Hall / Rouse / A / Rover Vitesse, 19 laps 17./ #77 / Geoff Kimber-Smith / Kimber-Smith / C / Toyota Corolla GT, 19 laps 18./ #62 / Tony Crudgington / Crudgington / C / Toyota Corolla GT, 18 laps DNF / #66 / Alan Curnow / Longman / C / Ford Escort RS1600i, 11 laps DNF / #74 / Richard Belcher / John Jeffrey / C / Ford Escort RS1600i, 10 laps Fastest laps A - Brodie 1m19.54/88.58mph B - Goode 1m21.23/86.74mph C - Hodgetts 1m25.72/82.20mphMcGrath and Hales also competed in the Renault 5 Elf Turbo UK Cup |
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18 Jan 2010, 20:54 (Ref:2615329) | #20 | ||
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Found my original notes of the 1985 race results, so adding the grid for each race- I don't have qualifying times for every one though
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1- McGrath (Rover- A) Pole time was 1m39.42 2- Soper (Metro Turbo- B) 3- Sheene (Supra- A) 4- Sytner (635- A) 5- Hall (Rover- A) 6- Dooley (GTV6- B) 7- Goode (Nissan- B) 8- Kirby (GTV6- B) 9- Chatfield (Capri- A) 10- Dowsett (GTV6- B) 11- Belcher (RS1600i- C) 12- Curnow (RS1600i- C) 13- Morris (RS1600i- C) 14- Kimber-Smith (Corolla- C) 15- Hodgetts (RS1600i- C) 16- Crudgington (Corolla- C)* 17- Gruen (Corolla- C)* 18- Drury (GTV6- B)* *=DNS |
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18 Jan 2010, 21:34 (Ref:2615352) | #21 | |
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More grids & qualifying times where I've got them- also race times etc:
Round 2 – April 5, 1985 at Oulton Park. 20 laps 1./ #1 / Andy Rouse / Rouse / A / Ford Sierra XR4Ti/30m58.88 2./#11/Neil McGrath/Linden/A/Rover Vitesse/31m12.05 3./#31/Graham Goode/Goode/B/Nissan Bluebird Turbo/31m14.08 4./#40/Phil Dowsett/Drury/B/Alfa Romeo GTV6/31m14.54 5./#30/Jon Dooley/ARDT/B/Alfa Romeo GTV6/31m24.40 6./#12/Mike Newman/Burlington/A/BMW 635CSi/31m33.18 7./#32/Rob Kirby/ARDT/B/Alfa Romeo GTV6/31m41.94 8./#66/Alan Curnow/Datapost/C/Ford Escort RS1600i/32m29.31 9./#69/Chris Hodgetts/Brooklyn/C/Ford Escort RS1600i/19 laps 10./#41/Terry Drury/Drury/B/Alfa Romeo GTV6/19 laps 11./#65/Stig Gruen/Gruen/C/Toyota Corolla GT/19 laps 12./#74/Richard Belcher/John Jeffreys Engineering/C/Ford Escort RS1600i/18 laps 13./#6?/Dave Brodie/Bodie/Colt Starion Turbo/16 laps DNF/ #7 / Barry Sheene / HofB / A / Toyota Celica Supra/14 laps- oveheating DNF/#79/John Morris/Brooklyn/C/Ford Escort RS1600i/10 laps- head gasket DNF/#2/Peter Hall/ Rouse-ICS/A/Rover Vitesse/5 laps- differential DNF/#9/Frank Sytner/Sytner/A/BMW 635CSi/2 laps- gearbox? DNF/#77/Geoff Kimber-Smith/AGK/C/Toyota Corolla GT/0 laps- electrical DQ / #8 / Brian Chatfield / Chatfield / A / Ford Capri 3.0S (4th on the road- 31m14.54- , but disqualified) Grid (again no times): 1- Sheene- (Supra- A) 1m31.20 2- Sytner- (635- A) 3- McGrath (Rover- A) 4- Chatfield (Capri- A) 5- Newman (635- A) 6- Rouse (XR4Ti- A) 7- Dooley (GTV6- B) 8- Goode (Nissan- B) 9- Dowsett (GTV6- B) 10- Hall (Rover- A) 11- Kirby (GTV6- B) 12- Brodie (Starion- A) 13- Curnow- (RS1600i- B) 14- Belcher (RS1600i- C) 15- Hodgetts (RS1600i- B) 16- Morris (RS1600i- A) 17- Kimber-Smith (Corolla- C) 18- Drury (GTV6- B) 19- Gruen (Corolla- C) Round 3 – April 8, 1985 at Thruxton 1./ #5 / David Brodie / Brodie / A / Mitsubishi Starion Turbo 2./#11/Neil McGrath/Linden/A/Rover Vitesse 3./#7/Barry Sheene/Hughes/A/Toyota Celica Supra 4./#9/Frank Sytner/Sytner/A/BMW 635CSi 5./#12/Mike Newman/Burlington/A/BMW 635CSi 6./#74/Richard Belcher/Jeffeys/C/Ford Escort RS1600i 7./#66/Alan Curnow/Datapost/C/Ford Escort RS1600i 8./#32/Rob Kirby/ARDT/B/Alfa Romeo GTV6 9./#69/Chris Hodgetts/Brooklyn/C/Ford Escort RS1600i 10./#79/John Morris/Brooklyn/C/Ford Escort RS1600i 11./#65/Stig Gruen/Gruen/C/Toyota Corolla GT DNF./#31/Graham Goode/Goode/B/Nissan Bluebird Turbo DNF./#40/Phil Dowsett/Drury/B/Alfa Romeo GTV6 DNF./#41/Terry Drury/Drury/B/Alfa Romeo GTV6 DNF./#70/Patrick Watts/North Essex/C/Ford Escort RS1600i DNF./#77/Geoff Kimber-Smith/AGK/C/Toyota Corolla GT DNF./#1/Andy Rouse/Rouse/A/Ford Sierra XR4Ti DNF./#30/Jon Dooley/ARDT/B/Alfa Romeo GTV6 DNS./#2/Peter Hall/Rouse/Rover Vitesse DNS/DQ./#8/Brian Chatfield/Chatfield/Ford Capri- DQ after qualifying.... Grid: 1- Brodie (Starion- A) 1m25.26 2- Sheene (Supra- A) 3- Rouse (XR4Ti- A) 4- McGrath (Rover- A) 5- Dooley (GTV6- B) 6- Sytner (635- A) 7- Kirby (GTV6- B) 8- Goode (Nissan- B) 9- Dowsett (GTV6- B) 10- Curnow (RS1600i- C) 11- Belcher (RS1600i- C) 12- Newman (635- A) 13- Kimber-Smith (Corolla- C) 14- Hodgetts (RS1600i- C) 15- Morris (RS1600i- C) 16- Watts (RS1600i- C) 17- Chatfield (Capri- A)* DNS- disqualified 18- Gruen (Corolla- C) 19- Drury (GTV6- B) DNQ- Hall (Rover- A) DNS Last edited by KA; 18 Jan 2010 at 21:46. |
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18 Jan 2010, 21:54 (Ref:2615367) | #22 | |
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Added race times etc...
Round 3 – April 8, 1985 at Thruxton 20 laps 1./ #5 / David Brodie / Brodie / A / Mitsubishi Starion Turbo/29m52.97 2./#11/Neil McGrath/Linden/A/Rover Vitesse/29m56.54 3./#7/Barry Sheene/Hughes/A/Toyota Celica Supra/29m56.76 4./#9/Frank Sytner/Sytner/A/BMW 635CSi/30m24.33 5./#12/Mike Newman/Burlington/A/BMW 635CSi/30m34.97 6./#74/Richard Belcher/Jeffeys/C/Ford Escort RS1600i/31m01.40 7./#66/Alan Curnow/Datapost/C/Ford Escort RS1600i/31m07.39 8./#32/Rob Kirby/ARDT/B/Alfa Romeo GTV6/31m13.73 9./#69/Chris Hodgetts/Brooklyn/C/Ford Escort RS1600i/19 laps 10./#79/John Morris/Brooklyn/C/Ford Escort RS1600i/19 laps 11./#65/Stig Gruen/Gruen/C/Toyota Corolla GT/19 laps DNF./#31/Graham Goode/Goode/B/Nissan Bluebird Turbo/13 laps- accident DNF./#40/Phil Dowsett/Drury/B/Alfa Romeo GTV6/0 laps- engine DNF./#41/Terry Drury/Drury/B/Alfa Romeo GTV6/? laps- engine DNF./#70/Patrick Watts/North Essex/C/Ford Escort RS1600i/? laps- engine? DNF./#77/Geoff Kimber-Smith/AGK/C/Toyota Corolla GT/? laps- engine? DNF./#1/Andy Rouse/Rouse/A/Ford Sierra XR4Ti/? laps- turbo DNF./#30/Jon Dooley/ARDT/B/Alfa Romeo GTV6/1 lap- accident DNS./#2/Peter Hall/Rouse/Rover Vitesse/DNS clutch DNS/DQ./#8/Brian Chatfield/Chatfield/Ford Capri- DQ after qualifying |
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18 Jan 2010, 22:07 (Ref:2615374) | #23 | |
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Round 4 – May 5, 1985 at Donington Park
1./ #1 / Andy Rouse / Rouse / A / Ford Sierra XR4Ti, 20 laps in 27m13.14s 2./ #5 / David Brodie / Brodie / A / Mitsubishi Starion Turbo, 20 laps in 27:20.11s 3./ #11 / Neil McGrath / unknown / A / Rover Vitesse, 20 laps in 27m25.93s 4./ #9 / Frank Sytner / Sytner / A / BMW 635CSi, 20 laps in 27m28.93s 5./ #31 / Graham Goode / B / Nissan Bluebird Turbo, 20 laps in 28m00.09s 6./ #2 / Peter Hall / A / Rover Vitesse, 20 laps in 28m07.13s 7./ #30 / Jon Dooley / Dooley / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6, 20 laps in 28m08.21s 8./ #40 / Phil Dowsett / Drury / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6, 20 laps in 28m17.85s 9./ #32 / Rob Kirby / Dooley / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6, 20 laps in 28m22.69s 10./ #69 / Chris Hodgetts / Brooklyn / C / Ford Escort RS1600i, 19 laps, class winner 11./ #66 / Alan Curnow / Longman / C / Ford Escort RS1600i, 19 laps 12./ #41 / Terry Drury / Drury / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6, 19 laps 13./ #70 / Patrick Watts / North Essex Garage / C / Ford Escort RS1600i, 19 laps 14./ #79 / John Morris / Brooklyn / C / Ford Escort RS1600i, 14 laps DNF / #7 / Barry Sheene / BofH / A / Toyota Celica Supra, 13 laps- gearbox DNF / #74 / Richard Belcher / John Jeffrey / C / Ford Escort RS1600i, 0 laps- accident DNS / #77 / Geoff Kimber-Smith / Kimber-Smith / C / Toyota Corolla GT Grid: 1- Brodie (Starion- A) 1m17.33 2- Rouse (XR4Ti- A) 1m19.02 3- McGrath (Rover- A) 1m19.63 4- Sytner (635- A) 1m19.97 5- Sheene (Supra- A) 1m20.10 6- Goode (Nissan- B) 1m20.89 7- Dooley (GTV6- B) 1m21.86 8- Hall (Rover- A) 1m21.89 9- Dowsett (GTV6- B) 1m22.89 10- Kirby (GTV6- B) 1m24.15 11- Hodgetts (RS1600i- C) 1m24.39 12- Curnow (RS1600i-C) 1m24.91 13- Drury (GTV6- B) 1m25.72 14- Watts (RS1600i- C) 1m26.12 15- Morris (RS1600i- C) 1m26.31 16- Belcher (RS1600i- C) 1m30.03 17- Kimber-Smith (Corolla- C) 1m33.08 |
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19 Jan 2010, 14:11 (Ref:2615714) | #24 | ||
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Absolutely cracking with some updates on the earlier Group A years, KA. Thank you. BTW, do you have info on fastest race laps per class, as it's significant for bonus points.
I'll keep myself updated, while I'm also checking what I've got for the 1989 Championship ...that will now appear in a thread of it's own, thanks to this wonderfull site. Jesper |
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19 Jan 2010, 18:11 (Ref:2615817) | #25 | |
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Round 5, Thruxton, 27 May 1985. Race was stopped and re-started after a multiple car accident on lap 1. My notes say 20 laps, but don't know if that's the originally scheduled distance, or what it ended up as after the re-start- I suspect it's the former, and if so, what was it finally run over?
1./#1/Andy Rouse/Rouse/A/Ford Sierra XR4Ti/30m47.81 2./#11/Neil McGrath/Linden/A/Rover Vitesse/31m17.13 3./#5?/Dave Brodie/Brodie/A/Mitsubishi Starion Turbo/31m45.33 4./#30/Jon Dooley/ARDT/B/Alfa Romeo GTV6/31m48.34- 1st class B 5./#32/Rob Kirby/ARDT/B/Alfa Romeo GTV6/31m53.46 6./#31/Graham Goode/Goode/B/Nissan Bluebird Turbo/31m54.53 7./#69?*/Chris Hodgetts/Brooklyn/C/Ford Escort RS1600i/31m57.15- 1st class C 8./#74/Richard Belcher/Jeffreys/C/Ford Escort RS1600i/32m10.55 9./#2/Pete Hall./Rouse/A/Rover Vitesse/32m12.42 DNF./#66/Alan Curnow/Datapost/C/Ford Escort RS1600i- 9 laps, accident damage (from the first start, or did Curnow have another incident?) All DNS at the restart, involved in the lap 1 accident: #7/Barry Sheene/Hughes/A/Toyota Celica Supra (car was written off) #12/Mike Newman/Burlington/A/BMW 635CSi #40/Phil Dowsett/Drury/B/Alfa Romeo GTV6 #41/Terry Drury/Drury/B/Alfa Romeo GTV6 #70/Patrick Watts/North Essex/C/Ford Escort RS1600i (another write-off) #79*/John Morris/Brooklyn/C/Ford Escort RS1600i *Both Brooklyn Escorts were involved in the shunt and damaged. I won't swear to it without looking it up, but the drivers may have swapped cars to enable Hodgetts to take the re-start in the less-damaged car of the pair- the other car being pretty much a write-off DNS./#65/Stig Gruen/Gruen/C/Toyota Corolla GT DNS./#77/Geoff Kimber-Smith//AGK/C/Toyota Corolla GT (Gruen and GK-S both missed the original start with mechanical problems) Grid (original) 1- Rouse (XR4Ti/A) 1m31.45 2- McGrath (Rover/A) 1m32.39 3- Brodie (Starion/A) 1m33.24 4- Dooley (GTV6/B) 1m33.50 5- Sheene (Supra/A) 1m33.62 6- Hodgetts (RS1600i/C) 1m33.56 7- Goode (Bluebird Turbo/B) 1m34.66 8- Belcher (RS1600i/C) 1m35.18 9- Hall (Rover/A) 1m35.32 10- Watts (RS1600i/A) ??? (I've got a rogue time of 1m40.34 in my notes, which must be wrong, unless I've got the grid order copied down wrongly) 11- Curnow (RS1600i/C) 1m35.51 12- Newman (635/A) 1m35.73 13- Kirby (GTV6/B) 1m37.90 14- Kimber-Smith (Corolla/C) 1m38.62- DNS, head-gasket 15- Morris (RS1600i/C) 1m39.13 16- Dowsett (GTV6/B) 1m39.15 17- Gruen (Corolla/C) 1m40.57- DNS, transmission 18- Drury (GTV6/B) 1m42.27 Hall's Rover and Newman's 635 both a good couple of seconds off the class pace here, and down amongst the Class C cars. Dowsett's Alfa similarly slow- problems in qualifying? |
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