WH's Tracks

[wolfhound]

Here is my first offering of a track design.

The long circuit Black track is 4.7km
The blue circuit is 2.3km and the red circuit is 2.6km

There is an elevation change of 30m between highest and lowest points.

The corners are all named after rivers and the circuit is designed to fit in a valley with the paddock inthe lowest part with the prime spectator areas around the outside.

The paddock can be accesed without crossing the track and it serves both of the shorter layouts.
The shorter layouts can be used simultaneously.

[ScotsBrutesFan]

Welcome to the My Tracks section.

That is quite a entrance I have to say. Nice to see the elevation in there as well.

Did you use the measuring tool for the distances or is it approximations as each looks rather long for the distances given?

[wolfhound]

The distances are aproximate but should be within about 5%

The track is 12m wide all round. I didn't but in gravel traps barriers etc. as it was very time consuming with the elevation changes.

[ScotsBrutesFan]

If you want to check, a good way of doing it is to highlight the track surface all the way around, then right click for options. Select Area and then selection.

You'll get an area in square metres, divide that by your track width and that's your track length in metres. KMs and Miles are easy from there.

[ScotsBrutesFan]

If you want to check, a good way of doing it is to highlight the track surface all the way around, then right click for options. Select Area and then selection.

You'll get an area in square metres, divide that by your track width and that's your track length in metres. KMs and Miles are easy from there.

[SpeedingTortoise]

Welcome. Loving the layout and the elevation. Ive never done that many elevations in one track. I think i prefer the northern loop to the south due to ot having more fast corners. I'll definetly be looking forward to what you come up with in the future.

[ptclaus98]

Originally Posted by ScotsBrutesFan

If you want to check, a good way of doing it is to highlight the track surface all the way around, then right click for options. Select Area and then selection.

You'll get an area in square metres, divide that by your track width and that's your track length in metres. KMs and Miles are easy from there.

That would have been great to know a long time ago. Now If I could learn how to do elevation

[Yannick]

Hello wolfhound!

Thank you for joining this section of Ten-tenths and welcome!

The graphic presentation of your track is indeed impressive especially with the elevation changes showing so well. The blot shape of your track, is very nice as well, as is the concept for your circuit. It surely is a modern state-of-the-art Grand Prix facility.

However, I do find your circuit lacking in one particular department and is the corner shapes. There is nothing that sticks out in terms of enabling multiple racing lines and asymetry can only be found in two places, the Turn 1 & 2 combination and Turn 17. What I miss are corners that slowly open up or slowly decrease. Or stuff like the Craner Curves of Donington where the racing line moves from one side to the other of the racetrack in a fast part of the circuit and also offers multiple lines.

My guess is that your main focus was on the elevation changes instead. Your next design could be so much better if you take into consideration multiple lines and try to enable cars running 2-wide in places.

Another thing I have noticed is that your design shows a lot of the characteristics of a Hermann Tilke design: it's a modern GP facility with long straights ending in sharp corners, a multiple apex run similar to Istambul's Turn 8 (which is your Turns 4 to 8) and even the typical section of high-downforce sweepers are there (Turns 15-18).

It kind of makes me wonder if you're an employee or an apprentice of Bureau Tilke themselves ;-)

Unfortunately, it's those high-downforce sweepers which make the racing on Tilke's tracks so predictable and let the most aero-efficient cars win all the time, providing more boredom than action.

Hence, my 1st change to make the circuit better would be to cut out Turns 15 to 18 and replace them with something else. Also, I'd like to transform one of the sharp corners at the end of the straights (Turns 9, 12 and the final corner) into a 180 degree corner with different radii throughout which would not be that sharp a corner. I guess the best place for that change would be Turn 12, eating up the kink of Turn 13 to gain its full 180 degrees. But then again, 180 degree corners of that kind may just be my kind of style and not yours. Anyhow, I hope you like them. Feel free to integrate them into your circuit.

[LuiggiSpeed]

Welcome to the board, like they all say, very impressive entrance, I love the horseshoe concept, that track looks a lot like one of my first tracks here, meaning great minds think alike I agree a little bit with Yannick, you might want to "meld down" a little bit the geometric perfection of some of your corners to make them more organic and open up possibilities, but the elevation changes looks really cool and you sure know your stuff. Awesome 1rst track if you ask me.

[wolfhound]

Here is my next offering.
It is designed primarily as a club circuit the long version being 3.7km(Blue circuit)
There are 2 other road layouts and a short oval.
The Green track is 2.3km, Red one 1.6km and the oval is just over 0.9km.
There is also a rallycross track incorperated into the Green track.

There is a height variation of up to 30m built into this layout.

The paddock is quite large to allow for non track activities like skid pans autotesting etc.

[LuiggiSpeed]

Sir we have very alike taste in track design!

[wolfhound]

I have always liked the idea of not needing a bridge to get into the paddock.

I have put the paddock at the lowest part of the circuit because nobody seems to spectate from there. I wanted to elevate the spectator areas to maximise their views.

I tried to incorporate the oval into the rest of the circuit using one of the other pit roads but could not workout a way to do it that would work safely.

[werner]

A great track! You must have put a lot of effort in this work I also like the fact that you have really thought through a philosophy.

You should really redesign the Berlin-corner. The drivers now drive straight into the wall of the oval-pitlane, without any runoff. Maybe a corner like the Audi-S at Zandvoort could be a solution.

[wolfhound]

I have carried out a slight revision, to ease speed at Berlin corner but I am not sure whether it works for the track.

[Tathrim]

A simple change in direction or linking "Valencia" and "Budapest" would work better for flow.

[ECW Dan Selby]

Awesome, awesome, awesome! Very unique, bit of everything. Love it. What can I say?

Selby

[wolfhound]

I have just finished my latest design.
It incorperates a number of different layouts some of which can operate at the same time.
There is an international circuit (red) 7.47km, national circuit(blue) 3.38km, club (green) 4.39km, an oval 1.6km, a kart track 1.16km inside the oval and a Rallycross track 1.9km incorperated into the club track.
I would be interested in your views.

[wolfhound]

Here are a few more views

[werner]

You like your tracks big, don't you. I can only think of two critisisms. It would be a very, very expensive track to built. But that is not really a problem in a fantasytrack. The other problem is a lack of fast corners. In such a long track you should be able to incorporate 1 or 2 of those.

[wolfhound]

I have not produced a new track in 3 years so here is something. It lacks detail but it consists of a national graded circuit that incorperates two tracks that can operate independently. You will note there are no straights to be found in any variation.
The long track (red) is 3.42km blue version 1.95km and the green one is 1.7km.
Track width is about 10m.

[wolfhound]

Another view.

[LuiggiSpeed]

I would say your last track is a deviation from your usual work, not because of the graphics but because the design itself.

[wolfhound]

I just spotted this track on Motorsport.com.

http://uk.motorsport.com/wec/photo/m...id=4531050&i=1

I think it would make a very interesting and challenging track.

[ScotsBrutesFan]

It would certainly be challenging at I'd guess 8 or 9 kms, and if the elevation can be worked out, it would be endurance heaven.

[Yannick]

Largely due to workload at the time, I missed your Track 04 and I'm really impressed. You have put a whole lot of detail into your design and you are very creative with corner shapes. The Southern circuit (blue) is especially interesting because of how you placed those two hairpins towards the south, in between two straights that then curve towards the hairpins. It would be very interesting to see touring cars fight the oversteer there.