European Touring Car Cup - Vallelunga

cos · 3 Oct 2005, 10:41 (Ref:1422632)

Anyone know of a possible entry list for this race (on Oct 16th)?

I see from the SEAT site that Plato will be driving a Toledo, along with Balzan (SEAT Italy/Scuderia Girasole), Nykjaer (SEAT Denmark), Laivola (SEAT Finland/), Coronel (SEAT Holland/GR Asia) and Kaye (GR). Any chance of the HPI team making it out there?

Valker · 3 Oct 2005, 10:52 (Ref:1422643)

Coronel can't drive there:

6) eligible drivers: those who have taken part at least to 70 percent of the events of their own national championships; FIA WTCC competitors will not be eligible

Touringcartimes.com has some info about possible STCC drivers to participate.

JMeissner · 3 Oct 2005, 10:52 (Ref:1422644)

I've done two different articles on this:

SEAT to European Touring Car Cup, 2005-07-14, 19:11:25
The BTCC SEAT´s are set to compete in the European Touring Car Cup which will be held at Vallelunga this autumn. Jason Plato is expected to take part in the race, but not only British SEAT´s are expected to take part.

"I have suggested to all the teams running our cars in Europe - in Britain, Italy, Denmark and Finland - that they should go to Vallelunga. We believe that the event is a good idea and we would very much like to win it," Jamie Puig from SEAT said.

Rules for the event states that to be able to compete in the cup, the driver must compete in 70% of the races in a national series. This is to prevent WTCC drivers to compete.

Source: Autosport

STCC teams to Vallelunga ETC Cup, 2005-09-25, 10:32:03
The FIA European Touring Car Cup is getting closer. The race will be held on the 16:th of October at Vallelunga, Italy. There are many drivers from many countries that are expected to show up in this race. But with the recent end of the STCC finale we will look in to which STCC teams that are expected to arrive.

The Honda of Tomas Engström is since long confirmed for the race. He will get assistance from the JAS WTCC Honda team. Johan Stureson is another driver already confirmed for the race. He will be there in his Peugeot 407 prepared by IPS Motorsport.

The newly crowned STCC champion team West Coast Racing are not officially confirmed, but very likely to attend. Göransson mentioned at the STCC final that it is their aim to race at Vallelunga, hopefully with both cars for Göransson and Björk. The Alfa Romeo team of Mattias Andersson is also expected to be there.

The Volvo team of Robert Dahlgren and Edward Sandström have expressed interest in the race. A official decision is not yet taken, but hopefully both cars will be at Vallelunga in October. The same goes for the new STCC Mercedes team of Tobias Johansson and Hans Simonsson.

Johan Meissner

Monkey Head · 3 Oct 2005, 12:29 (Ref:1422741)

I am quite disappionted that FIA didn't issued entry list only 2 weeks ago
is there are many drivers still not decide whether compete?

Valker · 3 Oct 2005, 13:08 (Ref:1422784)

Ari Laivola will race at Vallelunga. Just like in Finnish Super2000Race series Sarlin Race Team will run Laivola's SEAT Toledo.

Source: SarlinRaceTeam

Bezzen · 3 Oct 2005, 19:11 (Ref:1423113)

Quote:

Originally Posted by JMeissner

The same goes for the new STCC Mercedes team of Tobias Johansson and Hans Simonsson.
Johan Meissner

I wonder how many laps of Vallelunga these cars can manage? They will probably break down during transport.

E46 · 3 Oct 2005, 20:43 (Ref:1423164)

There were rumours saying that countries without national S2000 championships (France, Spain,...) could name drivers for European touring car cup, is it confirmed?

JMeissner · 3 Oct 2005, 21:06 (Ref:1423178)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bezzen

I wonder how many laps of Vallelunga these cars can manage? They will probably break down during transport.

Come on, give these guys a break

I think its great that they put so much money on developing a totally new car for S2000, and that they have the courage to enter ETC Cup!

I think its a succes if they go down their and finish the races!

Hazard · 3 Oct 2005, 21:18 (Ref:1423187)

What is the definition of a FIA WTCC competitor out of interest? Since Plato did compete in 4 events.

cos · 3 Oct 2005, 22:15 (Ref:1423234)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hazard

What is the definition of a FIA WTCC competitor out of interest? Since Plato did compete in 4 events.

I'm not sure the entry requirements exclude WTCC drivers per se, rather a driver has to have competed in at least 70% of his/her national championship; which does happen to rule out almost all WTCC competitors.

redshoes · 3 Oct 2005, 22:40 (Ref:1423247)

See Valker's earlier post which was a quote from the FIA ETCC website (www.fiaetcc.com), specifically FIA WTCC competitors will not be eligible.

I'm in two minds about if Plato should be allowed to race. On one hand he's not a full-time WTCC driver, on the other I'm not sure it's in keeping with the spirit of the event. It's a chance for less well known/funded mostly independent drivers to shine, not another pot-hunting exercise for works teams.

Hazard · 3 Oct 2005, 22:49 (Ref:1423253)

Quote:

Originally Posted by redshoes

See Valker's earlier post which was a quote from the FIA ETCC website (www.fiaetcc.com), specifically FIA WTCC competitors will not be eligible.

I'm in two minds about if Plato should be allowed to race. On one hand he's not a full-time WTCC driver, on the other I'm not sure it's in keeping with the spirit of the event. It's a chance for less well known/funded mostly independent drivers to shine, not another pot-hunting exercise for works teams.

Teehee, well, he didn't exactly do too well at Bathurst, slammed out of the Masters last year too...it's not improbable being the most likely guy to win this, he could embarass himself even further.

kmchow · 4 Oct 2005, 02:25 (Ref:1423323)

How many of these largely Independent teams can afford to go to Vallelunga? So in theory, perhaps next year, manufacturers could work/sched hard enough to have their Works team compete in the WTCC and in a national championship to qualify for the Vallelunga race?

redshoes · 4 Oct 2005, 07:46 (Ref:1423429)

Quote:

Originally Posted by kmchow

So in theory, perhaps next year, manufacturers could work/sched hard enough to have their Works team compete in the WTCC and in a national championship to qualify for the Vallelunga race?

No, read the post again. WTCC drivers are NOT eligible. Alex Zanardi for one already races in both WTCC and a National championship but is not eligible.

SEAT are trying to enter Jason Plato on the basis that he's not a full-time WTCC entrant. I believe the FIA are going to relax the rule slightly so that the drivers who made a one-off guest appearance at their local WTCC round would not be excluded. The question is how much relaxation should there be. Plato has done 3-4 rounds this year, is that too much to be considered an occation entry.

Hazard · 4 Oct 2005, 19:02 (Ref:1423871)

Well, that's just as many rounds as Thomas Jager, so would dropped drivers get a look in too? (hypothetically speaking).

My bet's on Schlappi, assuming MG (Germany) go.

Valker · 4 Oct 2005, 19:22 (Ref:1423891)

Why they make rules if those mean nothing?

http://www.fiaetcc.com/2k5/default.a...news.asp&id=23

Valker · 5 Oct 2005, 07:13 (Ref:1424187)

There's something about Proteam and ETC Cup at racingworld.it but once again, I don't speak Italian and babelfish translation is rubbish.

nau_jr · 5 Oct 2005, 08:36 (Ref:1424231)

From Russia (SuperProduction cars):
Mikhail Ukhov (MTS AC Racing BMW 320i)
Sergey Krylov (Sport Garage VW Golf)
? (Sport Garage VW Golf)

j_t_8_8_8 · 5 Oct 2005, 17:25 (Ref:1424571)

Quote:

There's something about Proteam and ETC Cup at racingworld.it but once again, I don't speak Italian and babelfish translation is rubbish.

The article says that Luca Rangoni and Davide Roda will drive the 2 BMWs in the ETCC Cup

JMeissner · 7 Oct 2005, 15:17 (Ref:1426559)

1 Honda Dealer Team Sweden Tomas Engström (SWE) Honda Accord
2 ROAL Motorsport Alessandro Zanardi (ITA) BMW 320i
3 BMW Team Engstler Franz Engstler (GER) BMW 320i
4 SEAT Racing Team Michael Nykjær (DEN) SEAT Toledo
5 DB Motorsport Salvatore Tavano (ITA) Alfa Romeo 156
6 DB Motorsport Andrea Larini (ITA) Alfa Romeo 156
7 Avtodom Racing Mikhail Ukhov (RUS) BMW 320i
8 Zerocinque Motorsport Stefano Valli (RSM) BMW 320i
9 Peugeot Sport Denmark Jens Edman (SWE) Peugeot 407
10 IPS Motorsport Johan Stureson (SWE) Peugeot 407
11 Maarakennus M. Laivola Ari Laivola (FIN) SEAT Toledo
12 Schubert Motors Rustem Teregulov (RUS) BMW 320i
13 Schubert Motors Claudia Hürtgen (GER) BMW 320i
14 SEAT Sport Italia Alessandro Balzan (ITA) SEAT Toledo
15 West Coast Racing Richard Göransson (SWE) BMW 320i
16 West Coast Racing Thed Björk (SWE) BMW 320i
18 TW Racing Aivis Othla (EST) Ford Focus
19 TW Racing Wolfgang Treml (AUT) Ford Focus
20 SEAT Sport UK Jason Plato (GBR) SEAT Toledo
21 GR Asia Tom Coronel (NED) SEAT Toledo
22 GR Asia James Kaye (GBR) SEAT Toledo
23 Proteam Motorsport Davide Roda (ITA) BMW 320i
24 Proteam Motorsport Luca Rangoni (ITA) BMW 320i
51 Zerocinque Motorsport Lorenzo Pasquineli (ITA) BMW 320i*
52 Sport-Garage Sergey Krylov (RUS) VW Golf*
53 Sport-Garage Andrey Nikolaev (RUS) VW Golf*

**FIRE** · 7 Oct 2005, 17:31 (Ref:1426672)

No Audi's (and Mercedes)?

Neil Adams · 7 Oct 2005, 20:13 (Ref:1426792)

this is the first time theres been a one off european touring car cup race in a while isnt it?

re the list above i thought wtcc drivers couldnt take part?

Hazard · 7 Oct 2005, 20:49 (Ref:1426807)

So much for no WTCC competitors...definately 2 full seasoners in there!

I think that makes Coronel and Zanardi the favourites IMO.

Valker · 8 Oct 2005, 00:34 (Ref:1426896)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hazard

So much for no WTCC competitors...definately 2 full seasoners in there!

But Zanardi also made almost full season of Italian Superturismo and won the championship. Coronel drives WTCC only...

kmchow · 8 Oct 2005, 02:15 (Ref:1426929)

Quote:

Originally Posted by FIRE

No Audi's (and Mercedes)?

oh yeah, it's a shame the pair of STCC MB never got to race much?

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