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Old 23 Apr 2010, 14:19 (Ref:2678459)   #1
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Best overtaking move in F1 history
Simple. Everyone nominate a driver / race / details, and we discuss those moves!

My first nominee, I know there are better, and they will be mentioned.

Mark Webber, Chinese GP, 2009, v. Jenson Button, round those sweeping turns at the back of the track, in the wet. Stunning.
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Old 23 Apr 2010, 14:22 (Ref:2678463)   #2
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Mansel v. Piquet British GP in to stowe. cant remember the year.
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Old 23 Apr 2010, 15:24 (Ref:2678504)   #3
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I'm not a fan of him personally, but Nelson Piquet's move on Ayrton Senna at Hungary in 1986 was unbelievably good. Great car control and fantastic pass on a guy who was, if I recall, pretty good at making his car very wide!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gkirs...eature=related

As far as the greatest overtaker is concerned I'd go for Nigel Mansell. Silverstone 1987 was good, as was his move on Senna at Hungary in 1989 and the pass around the outside of Gerhard Berger at Mexico in 1990 (on old tyres!).
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I'm not a fan of him personally, but Nelson Piquet's move on Ayrton Senna at Hungary in 1986 was unbelievably good. Great car control and fantastic pass on a guy who was, if I recall, pretty good at making his car very wide!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gkirs...eature=related

As far as the greatest overtaker is concerned I'd go for Nigel Mansell. Silverstone 1987 was good, as was his move on Senna at Hungary in 1989 and the pass around the outside of Gerhard Berger at Mexico in 1990 (on old tyres!).
Totally agree with the Piquet on Senna move. Without doubt the best move ive ever seen, nothing else compares.
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Totally agree with the Piquet on Senna move. Without doubt the best move ive ever seen, nothing else compares.
At the risk of bandwagon jumping me too, awesome!
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Old 23 Apr 2010, 17:33 (Ref:2678591)   #8
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And at the risk of it seeming like I didn't consult the past much, Button on Buemi- Interlagos 2009.
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I suppose moves can never get beyond a certain point of greatness, because there's a limit of adhesion. Some of the moves that were nearly great led to a binned car in the wall and no kudos.
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Jacques Villeneuve on Michael Schumacher. Around the outside of the Parabolica curve, 1996 Portuguese GP.
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Jacques Villeneuve on Michael Schumacher. Around the outside of the Parabolica curve, 1996 Portuguese GP.
Is it me or have the FIA/FOM destroyed this thread, so frustrating that we can't link to videos of the more recent examples
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Mansell on Berger, Mexico City 1990

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2g1yrGputA

Mainly for Murray's high pitch.
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Just watched the Button one I mentioned, and admittedly it wasn't that great. Very controlled though. Maybe Button's smooth style is deceiving me and it actually is great.
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Is it me or have the FIA/FOM destroyed this thread, so frustrating that we can't link to videos of the more recent examples
I have a Damon Hill 1996 VHS somewhere with pit radio and everything in that Estoril race, fantastic stuff.

JV: "I am going to try around the outside"

Williams: "We will come and pick you out of the barrier then"
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Mansell on Berger, Mexico City 1990

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2g1yrGputA

Mainly for Murray's high pitch.
Agreed, simply stunning.

One that i really stands out from recent times was Juan Pablo v Kimi at Hockenheim in 2002 iirc. went on for half a lap, most enjoyable.
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Sorry to go off topic, but how ancient does VHS sound now!!
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I'm not a fan of him personally, but Nelson Piquet's move on Ayrton Senna at Hungary in 1986 was unbelievably good. Great car control and fantastic pass on a guy who was, if I recall, pretty good at making his car very wide!

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As far as the greatest overtaker is concerned I'd go for Nigel Mansell. Silverstone 1987 was good, as was his move on Senna at Hungary in 1989 and the pass around the outside of Gerhard Berger at Mexico in 1990 (on old tyres!).
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At the risk of bandwagon jumping me too, awesome!
Agreed. And if anyone remember it was on his second try...
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Yeah, apparently going around the outside was easier than going down the inside!

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Sorry to go off topic, but how ancient does VHS sound now!!
Yeah, and my Dad and I have got hundreds of races on tape. I suppose we should transfer them ready for when you can't get video players any more!

I agree JV on Schuey at Estoril in 1996. Had the pleasure of talking to him about it and he obviously rather enjoyed doing that to Schuey, but was upset he'd never seen a decent picture of it...

Just to throw another one in: Gilles Villeneuve's move on Rene Arnoux into turn one at Dijon 1979. I think the battle itself is a tad over-rated, but the move with all four wheels locked up is pretty mega, especially as he makes the apex.
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Jacques Villeneuve on Michael Schumacher. Around the outside of the Parabolica curve, 1996 Portuguese GP.
I was never really that impressed by this. A far better example of a similar thing is:
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By far.

I go for the Piquet on Senna at Hungaroring. Great stuff. As I am sure I have said in previous threads
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They satisfy for different reasons. Piquet on Senna was sheer bloody-minded balls-out-ness, going way beyond what the car should have been capable of to overtake the unpassable. Mansell on Piquet was a touch of genius, the move seemingly worked out laps before, the dummy bought and the race won.
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I was never really that impressed by this. A far better example of a similar thing is:By far.

I go for the Piquet on Senna at Hungaroring. Great stuff. As I am sure I have said in previous threads
Agreed on all counts.

Of course, I can't go without mentioning JPM on Schumi at Interlagos in 2001, just because of what it meant.
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Agreed on this. Here's the onboard from Alonso, just takes the corner as if Schumacher isn't there: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLZLxT1ZEPA
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