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9 Jul 2003, 10:24 (Ref:656709) | #1 | ||
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And #2 - the Streetwise
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Now, THIS is one definitely cool car I tell you - it's just a pity about the name, again! I think being "Streetwise" is what Rover's trying to do, but they don't need to be so bloomin obvious about it. Basically it's a Rover 25 on stilts, presumably aimed at the school run mum's, - all the good points of a small car but high enough... I don't think they plan to badge either of these as MG's - I hope they don't, as keeping these cars as Rover's will begin to distinguish the difference between a Rover and a MG. What does everyone else think of these? Making Rover cool or not ? |
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Hmmmmm. CityRover - it'll do a job for them. Hardly cutting edge, but should sell well, and just has to be better than some of the other sub-superminis from the far East. And 85 bhp in such a small car sounds like it might just be fun. Streetwise - I don't like cars that look like pieces of agricultural machinery, so this ain't my cup of tea. Presumably it comes with a year's free supply of Back To Black, otherwise the looks will soon fade.
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The CityRover looks like an early/mid nineties Saxo/106. Groundbreaking stuff...
And they can't fool me - that "Urban On-roader" (eh? :confused: ) is a Rover 200 with jacked up suspension and a bit of tacky plastic*. So another mid 90s car then... (* ok, they admit that in the text) Actually, these could bring some useful extra sales in for Rover for a pretty small outlay in terms of R&D. They need to get the marketing right though. The Rover 75 was nearly still-born sales-wise because they over-egged it - it's only now we've forgotten the marketing campaign that we're realising it's actually quite a decent car... If they over-do this 'streetwise' thing, people will laugh nervously and shrink away - just like you do when your dad starts dancing to Ibiza club tracks at someone's wedding... |
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9 Jul 2003, 13:52 (Ref:656881) | #5 | ||
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I can see a close parallel here between MG Rover & American Motors in the 1980s - bolstering the bottom end of its range by buying in foreign designs, tarting-up an ancient range with tacky add-ons, no money to develop its own new cars, selling more on patriotism than the quality of its product (with one or two exceptions). Maybe the current signs of health are just rigor mortis?
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*unhelpful comment* not as nice as my Peril *ends unhelpful comment*
I grew up with Rover cars in all their guises as most of my family worked for them (some still do and the others have been "trawled" and picked up by BMW) at the Cowley and Longbridge plants. I loved my metros, appreciated my 25 and I adore my Peril. These seem to look like all the other cars on the road - it's as if nobody has any imagination anymore. Everything looks alike and Rover, at first glance, have gone down that same road. I don't deny for one second that Rover needed a replacement for the Metro - they were great cars. A tad small for my needs these days but they were super little "first" cars. Hopefully this one will grow on me. As for the second one - not keen at all. Rover have got enough 4x4's as it is without this one coming into the frame too. |
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Oh dear god they're doomed.
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that cityrover would be ideal for my gran. it looks quite high up, so she'd be able to climb in and out of it quite easily.
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Strange isn't it? I didn't have any of those problems with either my City X or my Rover 100.
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They must've built yours while the auditors were in...
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As people know I am a big Rover/MG fan. So here's my thoughts
The CityRover looks really good and from the one pic I quite like the look of it, if they market it right they might sell a few. As for the StreetRover not so sure about that, we shall see. |
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Oh boy.
So the truth is that Rover haven't designed this thing at all, and they've not even taken the decision themselves to move production to India. The truth is that Rover are going to take a car currently made in India by Tata and stick a Rover badge on it. Here ends the British car industry. If I don't laugh I'll cry. So... :confused: Last edited by garcon; 9 Jul 2003 at 18:24. |
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P.S. Has anybody told the bods at Rover that India isn't part of the British empire anymore?
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9 Jul 2003, 18:55 (Ref:657203) | #17 | ||
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it was anounced a few months back that Rover will do a car based on TATA ...
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I want to weep.
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Like Suzy, we had an Austin Metro in the family when I was about 4 or 5. It was the only car that you could be guaranteed to step into and start first time. We've had VW's, Fords and Peugeot's since and all these cars give us more hassle than the Metro did.
The CityRover is a Tata Indica underneath, though it has been re-engineered. It could of easily been built in Britain, but it is far cheaper to build it in India. It's simply a solution at the present to save MG Rover from going under, if this car is succesful and MGR earn a profit, that will go towards future models to be built in Britain. So, just because it's a Rover, don't dismiss it.. |
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Personally, I quite like both of them. OK, so the CityRover is just a badge-engineered and updated Tata Indica, but it comes with a decent spec list, it's not too expensive, and best of all it's not hideously googly like most of the latest Superminis on the market (Ka, Micra etc).
The Streetwise is easily recognisable as being based on the 200/25 design, but it's rugged and hard-wearing looking, so when you're anticipating the odd biff with the trolley in the supermarket, it'll be ideal. I hope they both sell well in the lower range of the market and get Rover some more respectability. The company is very different from that of the 80s and it's a shame so many people are living in the past as far as their perception of the brand goes. |
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Any truth in the rumour the Goodness Gracious Me! team are going to dothe tv ad for the City Rover?
"Introducing the new CityRover..." "Indian!" |
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hmm, i dont like the CityRover, it looks like a Corsa on stilts (and i dont like Corsa's) but the price is cheap for a new car.
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Was that large bang the british car industry and rover hitting the floor or just my lunch settling?
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Is it just me or does anyone else see the irony it all of this. The Indian car industry developed by building out-dated British designs - the Hindustan Ambasador was originally a 1950's Morris. Now the British industry survives by badge-engineering India designs.
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At least Land Rover is in safe hands (financially at least). Otherwise the Freelander could've been a re-badged Tata Gurkha...
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