Red Bull and Renault deal close. (Merged)

[Down F0rce]

F1Racing.net says:

Renault F1 team boss Flavio Briatore has admitted the French engine manufacturer is close to sign a deal with Red Bull. Renault would supply one of the two Red Bull-owned F1 teams with customer engines next season.

"We are in negotiations but it's not done yet -- done meaning when you sign the deal," Briatore told Reuters. "But we are working to finalise it this week and supply the engine to Red Bull."

Full article: http://www.f1racing.net/en/news.php?newsID=129759

[Marbot]

Near as damn it,sorted.

http://www.f1racing.net/en/news.php?newsID=129759

[Marbot]

That's uncanny! Merge please.

[Inigo Montoya]

Merged

[Knowlesy]

Very good news for Red Bull (or Toro Rosso). The Renault engine is the best all round engine package alongside the Ferrari and Toyota.

Hopefully they won't be Monza engines though.

[Inigo Montoya]

I wonder if Red Bull will continue to run the Ferrari, and Toro Rosso will get the Renault or vice versa? Or are they terminating their association with Ferrari?

[Knowlesy]

Red Bull have been looking to terminate their contract with Ferrari, so I'd assume that is the plan.

But I would not be surprised if these ended up in the Toro Rosso cars.

[Marbot]

Let's hope that they put the right engine in the right car.

RedBull weren't happy with their units.Apparently they were short of revs compared with Ferrari's!

[Knowlesy]

I don't suppose the installation problems they had with the units helped matters either!

[Marbot]

Originally Posted by knowlesy

I don't suppose the installation problems they had with the units helped matters either!

Apparently they're much faster when driven in reverse.

[Last2LiftOff]

[TSR]

From what I hear it will be

RED BULL/RENAULT
TORRO ROSSO/FERRARI

Hopefully this will happen with both MW & DC IN Renault power. Interesting that MW could be driving a Renault power that is run by his manager, funny things have happend in F1

[Down F0rce]

Renault confirm a two year deal with parent company Red Bull, which team they will supply remains to be seen:

http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=37369

[Bononi]

Looks like it's far from having it settled... Ferrari won't be very happy with that.

[kipper]

I have read somewhere that Ferrari's contract is with the Red Bull parent company and not Red Bull F1 so there maybe Ferrari cannot object too much. Also with the rumours of a Spyker-Ferrari tie up it may be in everyone's interests to see the Red Bull Ferrari supply being stopped with Toro Rosso perhaps using Cosworth V8s.

[Bononi]

Originally Posted by itv article

Red Bull has not yet informed Renault whether the engine contract will be assigned to Red Bull Racing or its 'B' outfit Scuderia Toro Rosso.

Its preferred option would be for the main squad to use Renault engines with Toro Rosso taking over the Ferrari contract, which has one year left to run.

Yeah, maybe.

[Pro Racer]

http://www.f1racing.net/en/index.php

the deal is done with red bull itself so it is up to them where they put the engine i hope it is with RBR.Renault+Webber + Coulthard + Newey = Winning IMO!

[bosch!]

Logic says it should be RBR as its likley to be a stronger (ie unrestricted) unit and RBR is the premier Red bull team. Toro Rosso is also obviously Italian bases which should be an advantage to both TR and Ferrari.

At the end of the day though it could go either way

[Chatters]

RBR will have it.I tell you though, RBR and STR will be strong next year with Renault AND Ferrari powerplants at their disposal.

[1200Datto27]

I wonder if they can design the chassis to accomdate either of the engines, therefore allowing them to swap engines to suit circuits?

[baclightning]

Jean Todt is reportedly insisting that RBR use the Ferrari engine, and that STR use the Renault engine.

http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns17458.html

[FPV GTHO]

The contracts wouldnt allow it for a start, but they could do it. It would just mean the aero would suffer as a result.

[FPV GTHO]

Originally Posted by baclightning

Jean Todt is reportedly insisting that RBR use the Ferrari engine, and that STR use the Renault engine.

http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns17458.html

From that article:

Ferrari boss Jean Todt is saying "Non" (as usual) because he does not want to face direct opposition from a Red Bull-Renault that has been designed by Adrian Newey. The engines might thus end up with Scuderia Toro Rosso which will be less of a worry to Ferrari because the team still has a long way to go before it will be running with the fast men

If thats true, it either doesnt speak volumes for Todt's opinion of the Ferrari engine vs the Renault, or it indicates they will detune the engines further as RBR go further up the grid.

By most accounts the Renault is indeed less powerful than the Ferrari, but better packaged. If Ferrari are going to face direct competition from RBR-Renault, theyre just as likely to with RBR-Ferrari as well.

[GTRMagic]

So why not just shift Webber/Coulthard to the Toro Rosso team?

[WebberForWDC]

Originally Posted by FPV GTHO

From that article:



If thats true, it either doesnt speak volumes for Todt's opinion of the Ferrari engine vs the Renault, or it indicates they will detune the engines further as RBR go further up the grid.

By most accounts the Renault is indeed less powerful than the Ferrari, but better packaged. If Ferrari are going to face direct competition from RBR-Renault, theyre just as likely to with RBR-Ferrari as well.

Surely one day (season 2008 and 09) they expect that they will comprehensively lose the championship to RBR just as SBR lose the championship to Triple 8. And they will take it in their stride, in the name of the honest humble glorious sporting spirit, they will enjoy it and be over the moon indeed. If not, then Ferrari ARE very arrogant disgraceful buggers indeed.