VF rear wing

[amiers]

Does any one else think the way the rear wing is mounted is a bit suss? When you look at it the plates that come off the boot (flat section) it creates an extension of the boot which i would think would make it create more down force in corners, as far as i know the downforce tests were in a straight line only, as there is more area to the boot.

[Trevor]

Originally Posted by amiers

Does any one else think the way the rear wing is mounted is a bit suss? When you look at it the plates that come off the boot (flat section) it creates an extension of the boot which i would think would make it create more down force in corners, as far as i know the downforce tests were in a straight line only, as there is more area to the boot.

So, you reckon all the hours of parity testing at the Sale Airforce Base in Sale Victoria was a waste of time and partly fraudulent?

[Denosaur]

Originally Posted by Trevor

So, you reckon all the hours of parity testing at the Sale Airforce Base in Sale Victoria was a waste of time and partly fraudulent?

Yep!! Coz not one single aero expert from this website was invited.........


Go to the RBT8 webiste and hae a read of the interview they had with Ludo on there about the wing..... ring wing most effective in straightline.....

[bluesport]

Let's face it, in the past holden have had the Ford 9" diff, the Ford double wishbone front suspension, copied Ford's cylinder heads and now they have Ford's rear wing.

[alfacors]

Originally Posted by bluesport

Let's face it, in the past holden have had the Ford 9" diff, the Ford double wishbone front suspension, copied Ford's cylinder heads and now they have Ford's rear wing.

The original VP Commodores which were developed as the start of the "V8 only" era had end mounted wings....

[Razor]

Originally Posted by bluesport

Let's face it, in the past holden have had the Ford 9" diff, the Ford double wishbone front suspension, copied Ford's cylinder heads and now they have Ford's rear wing.

Originally Posted by alfacors

The original VP Commodores which were developed as the start of the "V8 only" era had end mounted wings....

Also, the double wishbone front suspension was originally created by Citroen and was ultimately used in F1 before V8 Supercars. Just because it was used in the EL Falcon doesn't mean it's "Ford" suspension.

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by Razor

Also, the double wishbone front suspension was originally created by Citroen and was ultimately used in F1 before V8 Supercars. Just because it was used in the EL Falcon doesn't mean it's "Ford" suspension.

I'm talking about within the category.

[amiers]

Originally Posted by Trevor

So, you reckon all the hours of parity testing at the Sale Airforce Base in Sale Victoria was a waste of time and partly fraudulent?

No i'm not saying that, what i am saying is it has been admitted that only straight line test have been done. im not an expert and dont claim to be, however i am smart enough to know that if you increase the area it has to have an effect on the overall state. the Ford wing plate is flush on the boot. the VF extend's from the edge of the boot and therefore increas's the area in which the airflow has a greater area to create downforce.

[GTRMagic]

The Designer's View

[Axeman444]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

The Designer's View

so by the tone of the first few sentences, there is no chance of Ford luring them back any time soon?

[Denosaur]

Originally Posted by amiers

No i'm not saying that, what i am saying is it has been admitted that only straight line test have been done. im not an expert and dont claim to be, however i am smart enough to know that if you increase the area it has to have an effect on the overall state. the Ford wing plate is flush on the boot. the VF extend's from the edge of the boot and therefore increas's the area in which the airflow has a greater area to create downforce.

And it you read the link about where they explain the wing design, it says that the wing is more effiecient with the end plates like that, then it was when centre mounted.

[MacrosNZ]

Originally Posted by amiers

No i'm not saying that, what i am saying is it has been admitted that only straight line test have been done. im not an expert and dont claim to be, however i am smart enough to know that if you increase the area it has to have an effect on the overall state. the Ford wing plate is flush on the boot. the VF extend's from the edge of the boot and therefore increas's the area in which the airflow has a greater area to create downforce.

There's more to a car's aero than the rear wing. The whole car effects downforce, drag, COP, etc..

[Marcos WTF]

Originally Posted by bluesport

Let's face it, in the past holden have had the Ford 9" diff, the Ford double wishbone front suspension, copied Ford's cylinder heads and now they have Ford's rear wing.

What no mention of the "Holden" front splitter that to replace the
'oh XXXX I've just driven over a white line & torn the front splitter off"
lament of the au drivers.

And BTW, the double wishbone is not a frod design. Holden made their McPherson strut front suspension work in a race car.

In the ea (woof, woof ),frods much vaunted short & long arm & long spindle set up couldn't be made to work in a race car. Hence the double wishbone suspension .

I would have rather Holden kept the strut front end. It worked rather well, wouldn't you say.Judging from the results.

The 'frod' double wishbone was forced onto the Holdens
by Project Blueoval.

The nine inch- that's ford ,alright. But you'll never see me *******ise any of my GM cars with one.

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by Marcos WTF

What no mention of the "Holden" front splitter that to replace the 'oh XXXX I've just driven over a white line & torn the front splitter off" lament of the au drivers.

Actually it wasn't so much tearing it off as shattering the thing. One good thing about the BA was we didn't have to hear John Bowe whinging about mid corner understeer anymore...

Cracking article from Triple 8, Ludo is clearly and very very smart man.

[Trevor]

Originally Posted by Marcos WTF

And BTW, the double wishbone is not a frod design. Holden made their McPherson strut front suspension work in a race car.

and Mark Skaife was one of the main protagonists to get rid of the McPherson Strut, he couldn't wait for Blueprint, there is in writing somewhere about him commenting on the change, something about 2 or 4 points of adjustment versus 6 or 8 with the double wishbone.

The first Falcons in Australia had double wishbone, that would be about 1960 by my recollection. I own a 1966 Falcon and it has one - hmmmmm EL Falcon - pffftttt. Ford may not have invented it, but it has been a Falcon mainstay for an awful long time.



It is good to be old

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by Marcos WTF

What no mention of the "Holden" front splitter that to replace the
'oh XXXX I've just driven over a white line & torn the front splitter off"
lament of the au drivers.

And BTW, the double wishbone is not a frod design. Holden made their McPherson strut front suspension work in a race car.

In the ea (woof, woof ),frods much vaunted short & long arm & long spindle set up couldn't be made to work in a race car. Hence the double wishbone suspension .

I would have rather Holden kept the strut front end. It worked rather well, wouldn't you say.Judging from the results.

The 'frod' double wishbone was forced onto the Holdens
by Project Blueoval.

The nine inch- that's ford ,alright. But you'll never see me *******ise any of my GM cars with one.

Mate just face the facts, with all the changes holden made over the years, they simply wanted a Falcon.

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Marcos WTF

What no mention of the "Holden" front splitter that to replace the
'oh XXXX I've just driven over a white line & torn the front splitter off"
lament of the au drivers.

And BTW, the double wishbone is not a frod design. Holden made their McPherson strut front suspension work in a race car.

In the ea (woof, woof ),frods much vaunted short & long arm & long spindle set up couldn't be made to work in a race car. Hence the double wishbone suspension .

I would have rather Holden kept the strut front end. It worked rather well, wouldn't you say.Judging from the results.

The 'frod' double wishbone was forced onto the Holdens
by Project Blueoval.

The nine inch- that's ford ,alright. But you'll never see me *******ise any of my GM cars with one.

And watch the AU driver say his understeer got better without that useless splitter on the front... the one with the Jatz biscuit in it anyway

[Marcos WTF]

Originally Posted by bluesport

Mate just face the facts, with all the changes holden made over the years, they simply wanted a Falcon.

Not even close, so no cigar. I will throw in half a packet of Winnie Reds
though.

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by Marcos WTF

Not even close, so no cigar. I will throw in half a packet of Winnie Reds
though.

OK then, it's a deal. As long as we can keep laughing, that's what matters most.