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6 Feb 2022, 15:47 (Ref:4097574) | #1 | |
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HSCC launches Historic Modsports and Saloons
The Historic Sports Car Club will run pilot races for a new Historic Modsports and Saloons category in 2022 as a lead-in to a fuller programme of races in 2023. The inaugural races will be at Cadwell Park during the Wolds Trophy meeting on 4/5 June. The concept behind Historic Modsports and Saloons is to re-create a period of national racing history from the late 1960s and 1970s. Eligible cars will be those that comply with period MSA ‘Blue Book’ regulations and the series will be for cars as raced in period with original material bodies, engines from the original manufacturer and with a maximum of two valves per cylinder. The plan is to attract back into racing the type of cars that packed out Modified Sports and Special Saloon grids in period. Cars with spaceframe chassis and non-original engines will not be permitted, thus ruling out the type of cars that later developed in Special Saloon racing. Cars must be based on production sports or saloon cars (as available for sale in the UK) built before 1980. Cars must be powered by the same manufacturer’s engine that would have been in the period production road car. The regulations allow period-style changes to the engine, transmission, bodywork, brakes and suspension. In order to keep the series in line with the cars of the period, there will be no forced induction engines, no later four-valve engines, BDA or BDG-type engines, no motorcycle engines, no sequential gearboxes, no Lotus/Caterham Seven type cars and no kit car replicas. “There are many suitable period cars now sitting in garages with no purely historic series to race in. We want to re-create a very special time in national racing. Our ambition is a grid full of Minis, MG Midgets, Ford Anglias, Datsun 240Zs, Ford Escorts, Hillman Imps and low-volume sports cars like Ginetta G15s and Clan Crusaders, all with permitted period modifications.” To request series regulations and/or express an interest is taking part, please contact Jasmine Walker at the HSCC. https://hscc.org.uk/hscc-launches-hi...s-and-saloons/ |
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Quite a bit of interest.
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The HSCC are committed to keep it ‘historic’, based on 1970’s blue book rules. It is for Modsports and modified saloons, not Special Saloons. So original type engines, no BDG’s etc. Evrything has to be pre1980.
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However I noticed on RSC that he entered a Radbourne X1/9 Dallara at the Silverstone 6 hours in May 1979, (car #53) but DNA'd. https://www.racingsportscars.com/pho...979-05-06.html |
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The countries flooded with modsports saloons.
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Any chance of 'Blackbrick' or Radbourne X1/9?
Blackbrick no, X1/9 yes! |
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found this . . . some references on a 17 year old thread on here somewhere!
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So, if I've got this right, when they say the engine must be that of the make, they don't mean make and model, hence Dr Merfield's Cortina. So what alternative did the Imps use?
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I would guess that they would use the original type engines used during those times which used to be very effective, especially when racing in the up to 1000cc class. And at tracks like the Brands Indy circuit and Mallory, they could also be giant killers in the right hands, like Tony Lanfranchi. However, I am confused because back then, a lot of us raced Anglias with pre-crossflow engines based on the Cortina GT engine (of which the best blocks were cherry picked for the Lotus twinkies) which had 5 main bearings as opposed to the 3 for a 1200cc road going Anglia. But according to the blurb, one can't do that now. I would also assume that cars like Gordon's screamer wouldn't be eligible either? |
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I've requested a copy of the regs.
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Here you go, so a V8 Cortina won't comply.
Copied from the regs. The engine type must be the same type and manufacturer as in the production model available before 31.12.1979. 5.7.2 Permitted Modifications: An iron block or head may not be replaced with an aluminium block or head. Cylinder Block: The block must be from the same manufacturer; the same engine family and must be of the same material. Internals are free. Cylinder Head: Must be no more than 2 valves per cylinder, and either an original item, or be from a recognised after-market manufacturer from period e.g. Cosworth, Broadspeed, Holbay, etc. Modifications are free but the cylinder head must be the same material as the original. Period downdraught heads are permitted. A period reverse flow (non cross-flow) cylinder head must not be replaced with a cross-flow cylinder head, unless there is evidence that this was actually replaced in period on this car. Engine internals are free. Dry sump systems are permitted. |
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Gordons car still runs a Kent engine
HRSR engine specs sound close There's a BD powered Anglia about . . . . It's predecessor turned out to be the only surviving GP5 Broadspeed car and has been restored, (with 1200 DD engine) |
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Yes, now that Peter has posted above, Gordon's engine would be permitted, but reading their press release, it would seem as though BDAs, etc. don't meet the criteria. |
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Yes that is spelled out in the regs, I just didn't copy it. Not entirely certain but a Mk 2 group 2 Capri may well fit with triple webers since that was an "X pack" option for the road car in the late 70s. Hmmm I believe I have a spare Capri somewhere.
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If the bar-stewards who stole my Anglia and trailer (in about 1974) would be kind enough to return it to me, it could also come out to play! |
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A 1200 cc Anglia unfortunately isn't competitive against a well sorted Mini as long as the drivers are as good as one another and both cars comply to the rules in the series, simply because of the weight difference and the Minis amazing handling from standard |
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That sounds a real powerful beast Gordon, no wonder it cost a lot. But at least your ingenuity could help get it competitive, especially against those pesky Minis. Better to take a gamble on a new more powerful engine than have an uncompetitive lesser powered engine in it. Hope you got your money's worth out of it
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