ELMS ELMS 2013 Discussion

Speed-King · 20 Oct 2012, 18:16 (Ref:3154971)

(Apologies if there is a thread for this already, if so delete of merge)

Anyway, seems like the calender is out:

Quote:

#ELMS schedule just came out. Silverstone April 12-13, Imola May 17-18, Austria July 19-20, Hungary Sept 13-14, Paul Ricard Sept 27-28

via Tony DiZinno on Twitter. Story should be up on racer.com in a little while.

Weird of them to release it during the PLM race.

Simmi · 20 Oct 2012, 18:27 (Ref:3154976)

It's the final round of the ELMS so maybe not so weird.

Good to see the Silverstone double-header confirmed. A feast of sportscars a couple of months before the big one.

GT3.14 · 20 Oct 2012, 18:40 (Ref:3154978)

Happy to see the Red Bull Ring on the schedule, what a beautiful place. Any news on race distances?

aneesh99 · 20 Oct 2012, 18:45 (Ref:3154979)

Is it set in stone or is their scope to expand at all? I love it that ELMS is back, the season just seems a little short!

Speed-King · 20 Oct 2012, 18:46 (Ref:3154980)

4.5 hours from what I've heard. I could imagine it being billed as 500 Miles, as that's just about as long as they'll travel in that period of time.

Edit: DSC says 3 hour races.

Speed-King · 20 Oct 2012, 19:09 (Ref:3154985)

And EI has the full story:

http://www.endurance-info.com/versio...nce-14078.html

GT3.14 · 20 Oct 2012, 19:09 (Ref:3154986)

Three hours... Well, I guess the running costs will be low.

kober · 20 Oct 2012, 19:20 (Ref:3154991)

12-13.04 Silverstone GBR with FIA WEC
17-18.05 Imola ITA with FFSA GT Tour
19-20.07 Red Bull Ring AUT with World Series by Renault
13-14.09 Hungaroring HUN with World Series by Renault
27-28.09 Paul Ricard FRA with World Series by Renault

What about Official Test Session on Paul Ricard in March? And what's "FFSA GT Tour" ?

Three-hour races, two-day weekends, no changes to class structure - a good direction?

Speed-King · 20 Oct 2012, 19:24 (Ref:3154992)

GT Tour is the French GT3 championship. Has seen better times, though, with grids down to 20-ish cars these days.

aneesh99 · 20 Oct 2012, 19:41 (Ref:3155002)

I'm typing this from memory so apologies if I'm wrong but those dates look vaguely familiar, I think these dates are going to clash with the WEC and ALMS. I'm going to check schedules now.

kober · 20 Oct 2012, 19:44 (Ref:3155004)

Provisional 2013 Le Mans Racing calendar:

16 Mar Sebring 12h ALMS

13 Apr Silverstone 3h ELMS
14 Apr Silverstone 6h WEC
20 Apr Long Beach ALMS

04 May Spa 6h WEC
18 May Imola 3h ELMS
18 May Laguna Seca ALMS

09 Jun Le Mans Test
22-23 Jun Le Mans 24h WEC

06 Jul Lime Rock ALMS
20 Jul Red Bull Ring 3h ELMS
21 Jul Mosport ALMS

04 Aug Autopia AsLMS
11 Aug Road America ALMS
31 Aug Baltimore ALMS
31 Aug Sao Paulo 6h WEC

14 Sep Hungaroring 3h ELMS
21 Sep Fuji 3h AsLMS
21 Sep Austin ALMS
22 Sep Austin 6h WEC
28 Sep Paul Ricard 3h ELMS

05 Oct Virginia ALMS
19 Oct Road Atlanta ALMS
20 Oct Fuji 6h WEC

10 Nov Shanghai 6h WEC
30 Nov Bahrain 6h WEC

08 Dec Sentul 3h AsLMS

?? ??? Zhuhai 3h AsLMS
?? ??? Shanghai 3h AsLMS
?? ??? Ordos 3h AsLMS

The only clashes are on 18 May (ELMS+ALMS), 31 Aug (WEC+ALMS), 21 Sep (ALMS+AsLMS) - not bad

Nick6 · 20 Oct 2012, 19:50 (Ref:3155009)

Forgetting Sebring?

kober · 20 Oct 2012, 19:51 (Ref:3155010)

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Originally Posted by Nick6

Forgetting Sebring?

Sorry! Blame copy+pasting from my notepad

Speed-King · 20 Oct 2012, 19:55 (Ref:3155012)

Hmm, somehow I don't think that calender will bring in masses of GT3 cars (if they want 3 hour races they might just as well stay in Blancpain), and without GT3s growing the GT-field will be challenging, to say the least.

aneesh99 · 20 Oct 2012, 20:10 (Ref:3155019)

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Originally Posted by Speed-King

Hmm, somehow I don't think that calender will bring in masses of GT3 cars (if they want 3 hour races they might just as well stay in Blancpain), and without GT3s growing the GT-field will be challenging, to say the least.

Too right, they don't have a chance with British GT and Blancpain ruling the roost.

urdragon · 20 Oct 2012, 20:35 (Ref:3155031)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speed-King

Hmm, somehow I don't think that calender will bring in masses of GT3 cars (if they want 3 hour races they might just as well stay in Blancpain), and without GT3s growing the GT-field will be challenging, to say the least.

Blancpain has limited grid size in some events and is currently full, so, more probably will have to compete with the sprints and national championships.

BES Calendar:

14th April - Monza
2nd June - Silverstone
30th June - Paul Ricard
27th July - Spa 24 Hours
22nd Sept - Nürburgring 1000 km

As you see WEC & ELMS clashes with BES on first round.

Speed-King · 20 Oct 2012, 20:58 (Ref:3155045)

I don't think BES actually had to turn away cars so far except maybe for Spa.

And then, ELMS doesn't have GT3 field of its own right now, they have to steal those teams from somewhere, and that includes BES.

ger80 · 21 Oct 2012, 09:31 (Ref:3155309)

Hm, 3 hour races for ELMS will make it less attractive for 3 drivers

deggis · 21 Oct 2012, 10:00 (Ref:3155319)

How does 2 x 3h format actually reduce costs? I'm not doubting, but just asking how? You almost think it would be the opposite, since 2 x preparation.

ger80 · 21 Oct 2012, 10:44 (Ref:3155336)

Where do you see 2 x 3 hours?

deggis · 21 Oct 2012, 10:57 (Ref:3155340)

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Originally Posted by ger80

Where do you see 2 x 3 hours?

http://tentenths.com/forum/showpost....85&postcount=6

Simmi · 21 Oct 2012, 11:05 (Ref:3155342)

Quote:

Originally Posted by deggis

http://tentenths.com/forum/showpost....85&postcount=6

Someone with better French might need to step in but I don't think that's what the article is saying.

With all the money Google have they could certainly stand to pump a bit more into their translation software.

Victor_RO · 21 Oct 2012, 11:25 (Ref:3155351)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simmi

Someone with better French might need to step in but I don't think that's what the article is saying.

With all the money Google have they could certainly stand to pump a bit more into their translation software.

No, that article is saying that the races are being reduced from 6 to 3 hours. No mention at all of two 3h races per weekend.

"Le changement intervient dans le format des courses avec des meetings de trois heures et non plus six."

Rough translation: The change is in the race format, with 3h races and no more 6h ones.

deggis · 21 Oct 2012, 11:40 (Ref:3155354)

You're right, but even the English version on elms.com is extremely confusing.

http://www.europeanlemansseries.com/....php?news=2214

Quote:

"Each of the five race meetings will be held over two days, with practice on Friday and qualifying a 3-hour race on Saturday,"

"The move to two day events and three hour races has been done to help reduce costs."

"qualifying a 3-hour", is that supposed to say "qualifying and a 3-hour..."? That would make sense.

Simmi · 21 Oct 2012, 11:41 (Ref:3155356)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Victor_RO

No, that article is saying that the races are being reduced from 6 to 3 hours. No mention at all of two 3h races per weekend.

"Le changement intervient dans le format des courses avec des meetings de trois heures et non plus six."

Rough translation: The change is in the race format, with 3h races and no more 6h ones.

I think it might have been this 'translated' sentence which caused confusion.

Quote:

The format of the meetings will be two days, with free practice on Friday and qualifying race and three hours on Saturday.

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