The ingredients for the IRL were there from Day 1

The Beer Baron · 3 Apr 2002, 13:14 (Ref:250890)

Yes the IRL is getting more media attention, but I dont believe that the series suddenly overnight became 'successful'!

The roots of the IRL go back as far as 1996, there are still quite a few guys around who were around from the early years! Cheever, Lazier...

Yes guys like Hornish, Penske are new, and welcome additions,but the early day roots are still evident today!

Long live oval racing with Open Wheelers !!

SevenGrain · 4 Apr 2002, 00:18 (Ref:251435)

Too bad nobody goes out to the track on race day to see it...

The Beer Baron · 4 Apr 2002, 01:56 (Ref:251453)

Yup, what a pity too few people watch/attend

The IRL race from Fontana, indicates everything about what is great about the IRL.

Would Cheever have worn his gloves out racing a slow crapwagon? I think not!!

f1manoz · 5 Apr 2002, 02:22 (Ref:252367)

The IRL is becoming more successful, but it is still a series scorned by nearly everyone overseas (and even by many in the USA.)

However, after watching the last three races, they've got one next fan (me!)

However, I don't think the split can last too much longer for either series. The divorce will end soon.

SevenGrain · 6 Apr 2002, 00:52 (Ref:253110)

Not of Tony George can help it, his next move is to force the chassis manufacturers to supply only the IRL. Anyone doing business with CART will not be allowed to supply the IRL with chassis. Read into this... After changing their rules to conform to IRL specs, CART teams will still have to purchase different equipment to compete in the 500.

enzo · 6 Apr 2002, 02:18 (Ref:253147)

Yes, the IRL still has all of the ingrediants that made it so famous when it started :

Drivers with little talent
Teams with little talent
Drivers with littly money
Teams with little money
ONE race that has any sort of following
A power-hungry idiot at the helm

It may be getting better with the addition of Penske, but it is still a joke league.

The Beer Baron · 6 Apr 2002, 10:23 (Ref:253301)

Quote:

Originally posted by enzo
Yes, the IRL still has all of the ingrediants that made it so famous when it started :

Drivers with little talent
Teams with little talent
Drivers with littly money
Teams with little money
ONE race that has any sort of following
A power-hungry idiot at the helm

It may be getting better with the addition of Penske, but it is still a joke league.

The talent pool within the IRL has increased dramatically

Stronger teams: penske,panther,cheever,hemelgarn

team budgets are increasing

Indy,texas,,Kansas,nashville,pikes peak richmond draw well.
that one race with any sort of following has 400,000

Isnt everyone power hungry within OWR?

Dr. Austin · 8 Apr 2002, 06:05 (Ref:254547)

Quote:

[i]Originally posted by enzo

"Drivers with little talent"

Losers, hacks and wannabee, OH MY!!! There is that blindly loyal cart fan mantra. Would polly like another cracker?

And cart fans are just too blind (was going to say dumb, but the loveable part of me held back) to get it. We don't care if the IRL doesn't have the best drivers. But it does have the drivers we want to see. If you are so hung up on talent, you don't have any business watching anything but F-1. CART drivers are mere shoe scum next to F-1 drivers. Schumacher could take the most wrung out hunk of crapola from Coyne's stable and humiliate any and everyone in CART. He would make them look like children. Get off the driver superiority trip. CART drivers couldn't make it to or sustain a career in F-1.

"Drivers with littly money"

well, good. That seperates them from the CART ride buyers.

"Teams with little money"

That is partially being addessed by the leader's circle plan. Plus, there is a new, monsterous financial package on the way. It probably won't be until 2003, but Tony doesn't want to use all his CART coffin nails just yet anyway.

"ONE race that has any sort of following"

As opposed to CART, which is losing all it's marquee events. After the show the IRL put on at Fontana, cart won't have a chance of getting another date there next year.
what is CART's marquee event? St. Petersburg?

"A power-hungry idiot at the helm"

Still parroting the cart party line, eh?

He already has the power. He already has the money. More of either or both is not going to safisfy him. His only interest is growing the speedway, which he has magnificently done.

It may be getting better with the addition of Penske, but it is still a joke league. [/B]

Rick · 10 Apr 2002, 11:58 (Ref:256330)

Geez this is entertaining! BTW not getting much info down under, how good is Herbert's ride at the 500.

StuiE · 10 Apr 2002, 13:31 (Ref:256443)

Quote:

Originally posted by enzo
Drivers with little talent

True

All the CART washups, that never realy made anything of themselves in CART (Buhl,Lazier,Hattori, etc)

apart from Penske

SevenGrain · 12 Apr 2002, 17:03 (Ref:258271)

Quote:

Originally posted by Dr. Austin
As opposed to CART, which is losing all it's marquee events. After the show the IRL put on at Fontana, cart won't have a chance of getting another date there next year.

If CART does not return to Fontana after 2004 when the contract runs out, it will have nothing to do with the entertainment value, or "show" as you call it, of the IRL race held there last month.

The fact is that CART and ISC, owners of the Fontana oval, have not been able to see eye-to-eye since Nazareth was removed by CART and ISC refused to renew at Michigan last year. Relations between the two parties have soured signifigantly. Although Heitzler is largely responsible, Pook may not be able to recover relations.

Politics, not racing or entertainment value, will keep CART from renewing at Fontana.

CART has produced five very entertaining races at Fontana and has put more than 70,000 fans in the seats for each one. Do you think that ISC is happy with the meager 12,000 paid attendance for the IRL?

Glen Hartigan · 13 Apr 2002, 00:37 (Ref:258573)

Quote:

Originally posted by SevenGrain

If CART does not return to Fontana after 2004 when the contract runs out, it will have nothing to do with the entertainment value, or "show" as you call it, of the IRL race held there last month.

The fact is that CART and ISC, owners of the Fontana oval, have not been able to see eye-to-eye since Nazareth was removed by CART and ISC refused to renew at Michigan last year. Relations between the two parties have soured signifigantly. Although Heitzler is largely responsible, Pook may not be able to recover relations.

Politics, not racing or entertainment value, will keep CART from renewing at Fontana.

CART has produced five very entertaining races at Fontana and has put more than 70,000 fans in the seats for each one. Do you think that ISC is happy with the meager 12,000 paid attendance for the IRL?

I couldnt agree with you more,isc and cart are done in my opinion.I dont think we will be back once we are no longer committed.Its sad,i was going to go see the superbikes at fontana but because of the rift between cart and isc,i decided not to.I personelly hope the move the fontana race up to sacramento.Hate to see it go but i want cart at a track where they are welcomed by track owners.at least they can never touch long beach!!!!

jcclausen · 15 Apr 2002, 09:38 (Ref:260772)

Quote:

Its sad,i was going to go see the superbikes at fontana but because of the rift between cart and isc,i decided not to

You've hit on something very important, Glen. Some racing fans are a bit more discriminatory than others as to whom they give their money to. I have a very strong dislike for the ISC. By themselves I have no problem, but teaming up with Tony George to sink CART is a big problem with me. Although I live only 50 miles from Daytona, I don't donate to Bill France's coffer except for the Superbikes 200. I have a bad feeling about that as well. I would like to at least once attend the Daytona 500, but paying for a seat and then having to stand for the enitre race doesn't make sense to me. I tried the Rolex 24 once. Got jacked around by France's bubba goon security force that I will not attend that anymore either. Now that it is entirely clear that France is not content with the tremendous success of Nascar, but is intent on destroying open wheel and sportscar racing in the U.S., I doubt I will ever go to Daytona anymore. There are way too many great racing events, Superbikes and WoO sprintcars, to name but two, around the country to attend rather than put up with the **** that's going on with the races that Bill France and Tony George are involved in.

OVERSTEER · 15 Apr 2002, 19:45 (Ref:261398)

Tony George = Adolf Hitler!!

Muzza · 16 Apr 2002, 04:03 (Ref:261727)

jcclausen,

I totally subscribe your words, and that's why I do not attend IRL races (I am not bashing the category though, but Tony George and the France family).

Muzza

BootsOntheSide · 17 Apr 2002, 18:13 (Ref:263381)

"All the CART washups, that never realy made anything of themselves in CART (Buhl,Lazier,Hattori, etc)"

Yep that's the IRL field. Even guys like Cheever and Lazier who have been there since the start never showed much potential in CART (frankly Cheever has been over the hill for 10 years). Only Stewart, Brack and Hornish Jr have come through the series with any real reputation.

Dr. Austin · 17 Apr 2002, 19:28 (Ref:263423)

The closer it gets to May, the more the trolling CART fraternity comes to the IRL forum. The closer the big race comes, the more desperate is the paniced bleating from the fans sinking on the SS CARTanic. Place that sun chair over there, Pookie.

Dragged down by the STONE!!!!!! Dragged down by the STONE!!!

Once again, the Speedway and it's King will rule the motorsports world for the entire month. And then it will rule the NASCAR world. And then the most prestigeous race on the F-1 calender will happen at 16th and Georgetown. It all happens at Georgetown. It all revolves around Georgetown.

And it IS George's town. It is George's race and George's series. It it King George's world. Live it. Love. Eat it, baby! Eat it.

And there is only one response from the hapless bleating and babbling (...we FELL on his neck with a screeeeeeam! Aahahaha!)IRL slaggers. We get the same tired and worn out CART psycho-babble parroting almost every time. Really, can't lost CART fans do any better that merely squawk like a bunch of Polly's? "Akw, loses, hacks and wannabees! Awk!

It's really comical to get the same meaningless drivel from the same meaningless people. They don't watch the IRL races. They don't know what's going on. They only know they like CART, and even then, they don't know why. All they know is they've heard it from somewhere that CART's self destruction is really Tony George's fault!

It's a lie. It's the big lie. Tony is only responsible for what he controls, and the Speedway and the IRL are going great guns. Teams from the rival league are falling all over themselves to get into the only show that counts.
CART's portion of hapless and bitter fans can grumble all it wants, but without the speedway's apron to cling on to, they will soon wash out to sea. Dragged down by the STONE, baby! Dragged down by the STONE!

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Dr. Austin administers another flaming enema of truth. Dig it!

Your series is awash in incompetence, corruption and ignorance. The mighty buck lust of the greedy CART team owners made them abandon their responsibilities as guardians of sport. They turned the entire future of the sport over to the penny-anal corporate ***** 's. It is little wonder they are suffering the cruel slap of Karma's rightful vengence. But wait until Usama Bin Grosfeld and Darth Vannani have their say. They bought part of CART's soul for dirt cheap and when they begin to suck the blood, CART's previous troubles are going to appear marginal.

Yes, your series awash in incompetence. CART's has speedchannel promoting the LBGP as the "most important day on the CART/Fed Ex calender," but not only does it's winningest active driver fail tech inspection, he is allowed to keep his win in spite it. Even our forum's fiercest CART supporter is p*ssed off and calling people "cheaters." Nice sport that CART series.

Yes, your series is awash in corruption. CART is sueing former guru Uncle Joe Hietzler for fraud. Hietzler is sueing CART for, err, whatever. Fraud! Everyone denied it when I was talking about it. Everyone called me stupid. Everyone called me biased. Where are those peope now? Anyone care to argue about it now? Those people are gone, but there it is...fraud.

Eat this, baby! Fraud. Eat it!

And wait until the FTC gets involved before you bet the house on how many indictments are going to fly. And the IRS? Hahahaha. You had better believe they will have the cross and nails ready. It is a sad and pitiful way for a formerly great series to whimper it's way out.

So I hope you CART fans/IRL slaggers have a good time trolling the normally good natured IRL forum. Go ahead and show your intelligence by trying to ruin a good thread with the same thoughtless drivel. While you are over here, your series is swirling down the bowl into a magnificent destrution in flames. I guess it's more fun to tear the other guy's house down that visit your own cesspool.

Better go sit on some ice. That looks like it really burnt.

PS this entire thread is being forwarded to Tony George's lawyer in Speedway, Indiana. I suspect some of you will be getting unexpected e-mail. Maybe even a subpeona.

The Beer Baron · 17 Apr 2002, 19:29 (Ref:263425)

Oversteer? I never knew Tony George wanted to kill so many people to have his way?? people dislike Tony george, but he aint gonna cause people physical harm nor commit genocide !
What an immature and idiotic remark to make!

The 'Cart washups' are now getting a chance to shine properly now! I wonder what top teams Lazier , Cheever et al drove in while in IndyCar ?

Dr. Austin · 17 Apr 2002, 19:40 (Ref:263434)

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by The Beer Baron

"Oversteer? I never knew Tony George wanted to kill so many people to have his way??"

Just imagine how surprised Tony's lawyer is going to be!

"What an immature and idiotic remark to make!"

This is the IRL forum being visited by lost, bitter CART fans, so what did you expect?

botsquad · 17 Apr 2002, 20:20 (Ref:263456)

Quote:

Originally posted by Dr. Austin
The closer it gets to May, the more the trolling CART fraternity comes to the IRL forum.

whatever u say dr. troll.....

what were the final positions: ie. cart v. irl at ims last year?

were any irl drivers on the lead lap for the checkered?

can't wait for this weekend's race: when we learn who's
faster...eddie geezer or billie goat.

Dr. Austin · 17 Apr 2002, 20:38 (Ref:263467)

Welcome to Dr. Austin's trollspotting clinic. Notice which person is the first to resort to personal insults. And then notice who is the first to resort to namecalling. I think you will find this a most interesting excercise. Too bad, Botsquad, together we could have given the Schumacher fans hell...

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by botsquad

"whatever u say dr. troll....."

The first tactic in the official handbook of the mindless, hapless CART lemming troll is always be the first to call the other guy a name.

"what were the final positions: ie. cart v. irl at ims last year?"

AWWWWWK! I love it. First insults, then mindless parroting of the same lame *hit over and over. Like any of us care what the positions were. The guys who finished 1, 2 are now IRL teams and so are the cars from the other stable. So maybe you can crow that the best teams dominated the 500 last year, but now the best teams are in the IRL. And your league was too lame to keep them in their own series. Life in the IRL is good and the CART teams who have been to Indy aren't going back to the slums. Give up a 500 or two to CART, but get their teams in exchange. Don't play poker with Tony.

"were any irl drivers on the lead lap for the checkered?"

AWWWK! Cracker!!! hacks, losers and wannabees! Awk! This is too easy. Yeah, Gil and Helio are now IRL drivers full time. So, the answer to your question is "yes."

"who's faster...eddie geezer or billie goat. "

And back to hapless namecalling.

botsquad · 17 Apr 2002, 21:16 (Ref:263499)

Quote:

Originally posted by Dr. Austin
AWWWWWK! I love it.
Don't play poker with Tony.
AWWWK! Cracker!!! hacks, losers and wannabees! Awk!

awwwk.........sed....

dr.droll.............why so angry?

Dr. Austin · 17 Apr 2002, 21:44 (Ref:263509)

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by botsquad

dr.droll.............why so angry?"

I'm not angry. This is comedy, baby!

It's a comedy that people who are all supposed to love the same sport are squaring off against each other in different groups. Everything is now us against them. It's a comedy because all of it is so stupid no matter which side you are on.

It's a comedy someone would be so misguided as to say Tony George is anything like Adolf Hitler. And it's a comedy that you seem to think no one has a right to take offense to it, though George's lawyer is now looking into it. Meanwhile, CART fans take any truth about their series as "angry." CART fans are too funny. It's all too easy. Cocka doodle doo, Ding dong, the witch is dead , dragged down by the STONE, baby! Dragged down by the STONE!

KA-GOOOOOOSHHH!!!!!

comedy is toooooo sweeeeet.

botsquad · 17 Apr 2002, 22:17 (Ref:263527)

Quote:

Originally posted by Dr. Austin

This is comedy, baby!
It's a comedy someone would be so misguided as to say Tony George is anything like Adolf Hitler.
[/B]

the funny funny funny nazi dr. doolittle

he made the animals talk

Glen Hartigan · 18 Apr 2002, 03:38 (Ref:263651)

Talk about name calling and insults...WOW...Dr. Austin you obviously love your i.r.l and thats fine,but why all the misguided babble about cart.