Dream Touring Car Schedule and Format?

[Roy4]

I was just thinking about this, and thought about what my dream touring car schedule and format would be?

Car Classes:
Class 2/B – A Feeder series to Class 1/A.
S2000 regulations.
Class 1/A – Premier Class
V8 Supercar regulations.

Free Practice:
Friday Morning: 2x20 Minutes or Class 2 .2x30 minutes for Class 2.*

Qualification:
Saturday Morning: 20 Minutes for Class 2, 30 Minutes for Class 1 – Minimum of 2 timed laps in the session. Each cars fastest timed lap of the session forms the grid for Race 1.

*Sessions extended at endurance races.

Race Format:
Saturday Afternoon: Class 2, Race 1 – 75km, Grid is formed by qualifying.
Class 1, Race 1 – 100km, Grid id formed by qualifying.
Sunday Afternoon: Class 2, Race 2 – 75km, Grid is formed by the fastest laps from race 1.
Class 1, Race 2 – 100km, Grid is formed by the fastest laps from race 1.

A compulsory tyre stop must be completed during each race.

Points:
Class 1: 50, 47, 44, 41, 38, 35, 32, 30, 28, 26, 24, 22, 20, 18, 16, 14, 12, 10, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1
Class 2: Same as Class 1.

A bonus point for Pole Position and for the fastest lap of each race.

Schedule:
R1: Zhuhai
R2: Zandvoort
R3: Rome Street Circuit
R4: Algarve, Portimao
R5: Jerez
R6: Dijon-Prenois
R7: Nurburgring
R8: Spa 24 Hours*
R9: Brands Hatch
R10: Potrero de los Funes* {500km}
R11: Laguna Seca
R12: Eastern Creek
R13: Okayama
R14: Macau

[Speed-King]

Is it that time of the year already?! Macau isn't even over and we have the first fantasy-thread, I have a feeling this will be a long winter...

Anyway, I think the Superstars Series has it pretty much right - I'd make the sprint races a little longer (40 minutes-ish) and add a couple of endurance events, but that's about it.

If I had to come up with a support class, I'd base it on the VLN SP-regulations and use the Seat Leon Supercopas as a benchmark.

As for the schedule - I'd keep this a European series, other countries have impressive touring car traditions on their own, no need to mess with that.

Tracks: Zolder - Nordschleife - Red Bull Ring - Mugello - Dijon - Spa - Brands Hatch GP - Brno - Anderstorp - Jarama - Zaandvoort. Not necessarily in that order.

[juicy sushi]

It's hard to strike a balance between reality and fantasy with this stuff. In my ultimate fantasy, the cars would all be RWD and one could have a naturally-aspirated 2 litre formula with no limits on cylinder count. In reality, there's not way to get that.

So, I would settle for NGTC rules, but with all cars being AWD (to get the largest number of possible participants, but without having FWD), and with the cars having bigger wheels, and saloons only.

As far as circuits go, being Canadian, I'll go with a North American schedule, so: Sebring, Long Beach, Barber, the new F1 track in Texas (night race), VIR, Toronto (night race), Cleveland (Burke Lakefront Airport), Montreal, Road America, New Jersey, Mid-Ohio, Mosport, Mont Tremblant, Watkins Glen, Road Atlanta, Laguna Seca (starting at twilight).

I'd like each race to be a 200km event, as although short, action-packed races are nice, I'd like to see the cars get used a bit more, with an element of overcoming adversity thrown in.

[AspiesengineeringF1Team]

Mine would be:
V8's
S2000/D2000
NGTC
TC2000
2 races in a weekend
One short and one F1 style length race

[helterskelter]

My focus would be on low-cost racing. IMO the NGTC cars go into the right direction but it's still not enough. I'm used to one-make series, so maybe what I'd do is leaving all the mechanical stuff untouched, except for some parts provided by the organization.
Everyone should have the same amount of HP, same suspensions and so on. The key to this idea would be the look and the sound of the cars. My experience is, no matter how technologically advanced the cars are, people only care about sound and speed.
So the direction would be much like the Superstars Series, road cars made into racing cars. No carbon fibre, though, and no 6.3 engines against 4.2s.
The result would be similar cars with similar performances and most of the work to be done by the drivers and the engineers, who'll have to squeeze the very last hundredth out of the car.
As for the tracks, I'd love to see such cars run on this venues:
Vallelunga
Hockenheim
Mugello
Paul Ricard
Salzburgring
Donington Park
Jerez (or Catalunya)
Portimao
Laguna Seca
Interlagos
Macau

[Andy77]

I'd love to see touring cars doing a 500 or 1000km race at the Nordschleife. other than that I think that Zolder should be in the schedule on Easter Weekend.

[Woolley]

Dream format and calendar? That's easy. 1985 + Macau. I'd take the same cars as well. Rover, 635CSi, Volvo 240T + 200 Alfas.

I'm getting old.

[nickyf1]

Originally Posted by Woolley

1985 + Macau.

Yes!

[iceman-1987]

RULES:

1 model of cars (alfa 159, audi a4, bmw 320, chevy cruze, ford mondeo, honda accord, lexus IS F, opel isigna, peugeot 407, renault laguna, seat exeo, volvo s40)

2 point system: 20-15-12-10-8-6-4-3-2-1 for both races, 1 point for the fastest lap, 1 point for the super pole

3 lenght race: race 1 sprint 75 km, race 2 endurance 150 km and 1 pit stop, standing start in both races

4 the cars: engine 2 litres with turbo (not diesel), top power 330 hp, tyres of 19 inches, possibility to have front wheel drive (weight 1100 kg), rear wheel drive (1130 kg), 4*4 wheel drive (1160 kg).

5 qualyfing system: 2 free session of 40 minutes in the friday, 1 free session of 1 hour in saturday morning, 1 hour of qualyfing, superpole with the top 10 drivers with 1 only lap for each driver starting from the tenth until the first

6 the tracks:
- BRAZIL interlagos
- AREGENTINA buenos aires (oscar galvez circuit)
- MEXICO mexico city (hermanos rodriguez circuit)
- USA road atlanta
- PORTUGAL portimao
- SPAIN jarama
- FRANCE le castellet
- ITALY monza
- GERMANY nurburgring
- BELGIUM spa
- UK silverstone
- HUNGARY budapest
- ABU DHABI yas marina
- AUSTRALIA bathurst
- JAPAN suzuka
- CHINA shangai
- MACAU macau

[E.J. Bird]

Originally Posted by iceman-1987

RULES:

1 model of cars (alfa 159, audi a4, bmw 320, chevy cruze, ford mondeo, honda accord, lexus IS F, opel isigna, peugeot 407, renault laguna, seat exeo, volvo s40)

Alfa Romeo Giulia rather than 159. Peugeot 407 no longer made so replace with Mazda 6, VW Passat or Citroën C5.

Originally Posted by iceman-1987

2 point system: 20-15-12-10-8-6-4-3-2-1 for both races, 1 point for the fastest lap, 1 point for the super pole

Agree with this. (May have gone with the same points system as F1 plus fastest lap and pole though).

Originally Posted by iceman-1987

3 lenght race: race 1 sprint 75 km, race 2 endurance 150 km and 1 pit stop, standing start in both races

Sprint race should be rolling start. Agree on lengths.

Originally Posted by iceman-1987

4 the cars: engine 2 litres with turbo (not diesel), top power 330 hp, tyres of 19 inches, possibility to have front wheel drive (weight 1100 kg), rear wheel drive (1130 kg), 4*4 wheel drive (1160 kg).

Agree

Originally Posted by iceman-1987

5 qualyfing system: 2 free session of 40 minutes in the friday, 1 free session of 1 hour in saturday morning, 1 hour of qualyfing, superpole with the top 10 drivers with 1 only lap for each driver starting from the tenth until the first

1 hour for qualifying is a bit long. I'd make it 30 mins and then a 10 minute top-10 shoot out for pole to 10th all held in the morning with the sprint race held on Saturday. Then have another qualifying on Sunday morning for the Endurance race.

Originally Posted by iceman-1987

6 the tracks:
- BRAZIL interlagos
- AREGENTINA buenos aires (oscar galvez circuit)
- MEXICO mexico city (hermanos rodriguez circuit)
- USA road atlanta
- PORTUGAL portimao
- SPAIN jarama
- FRANCE le castellet
- ITALY monza
- GERMANY nurburgring
- BELGIUM spa
- UK silverstone
- HUNGARY budapest
- ABU DHABI yas marina
- AUSTRALIA bathurst
- JAPAN suzuka
- CHINA shangai
- MACAU macau

I would include more street circuits and not include Mexico or Abu Dhabi. To be replaced with Hamilton Street Circuit (NZ) and Göteborg (SWE). Also Donington Park is better for touring cars than Silverstone.

[nickyf1]

4 doors, no silly wings, big wheels and brakes, have as much power as you like, up to 2 litres.

Visit all the good tracks (no F1 built tracks)

Good to go.

Oh, and proper long races, 500km (Donnington..) to 1000km (Bathurst and Tourist Trophy at Silverstone) to 24 Hours (Spa).

[iceman-1987]

Originally Posted by E.J. Bird

Alfa Romeo Giulia rather than 159. Peugeot 407 no longer made so replace with Mazda 6, VW Passat or Citroën C5.

i didnt know about alfa giulia but i just saw a pic and i can say it really beauty! about mazda 6 i thought at this model too but only if they dnt use station wagon model.

Agree with this. (May have gone with the same points system as F1 plus fastest lap and pole though).
about system point considering the great number of car i think it could be better if they get points first 20 cars so: 40-30-24-20-16-15-14-13-12-11-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1


Sprint race should be rolling start. Agree on lengths.



Agree



1 hour for qualifying is a bit long. I'd make it 30 mins and then a 10 minute top-10 shoot out for pole to 10th all held in the morning with the sprint race held on Saturday. Then have another qualifying on Sunday morning for the Endurance race.

or another idea could be to give for the endurance race 4 new tyres for all drivers who finished after the 20th position in the first race!!

I would include more street circuits and not include Mexico or Abu Dhabi. To be replaced with Hamilton Street Circuit (NZ) and Göteborg (SWE). Also Donington Park is better for touring cars than Silverstone.

i dnt know if it is a good idea!! i mean stree circuit can be nice but in hypotetic competition with 40 and more cars do u think it would be possible to race???

[Vepe]

1. Cars & engines
- RWD only, no FWD
- "Real" cars, no silhouettes like DTM
- Maximum engine displacement 3000cc
- Engine configuration must be similar to production model (for example, BMW 3-series cars have multiple engines, like 2,0l inline-4 or 3,0l inline-6, so the engine used in the race car must be similar with displcement, cylinder configuration and forced induction)
- Engine power ~400 hp
- No diesel

2. Point scoring
25-20-15-12-10-8-6-4-3-2-1
1 point for Pole and Fastest Lap

3. Race Weekend
- 60 min Free practise in Friday
- 30 min Qualifying in Saturday
3.1. Race
- Two races/weekend
- 1st race is sprint race, 70-100 km
- 2nd race is endurance race, 250 km

4. Schedule

1. South American Race - Buenos Aires, ARG/Interlagos,BRA
2. San Marino Race - Imola, ITA
3. Spanish Race - Jerez, SPA
4. Porto Race - Porto, POR
5. French Race - Pau, FRA
6. German Race - Nordschleife, GER *
7. East European Race - Red Bull Ring, AUT/Brno, CZE/Hungaroring, HUN
8. Scandinavian Race - Anderstop, SWE
9. British Race - Donington, GBR
10. USA East Race - Road America, USA
11. USA West Race - Long Beach, USA
12. Japanese Race - Suzuka, JPN
13. Macau Race - Macau, CHN
14. Pacific Race - Surfers Paradise, AUS
15. Australian Race - Bathurst, AUS

* At Nordschleife a single 500 km race is held.

[iceman-1987]

[QUOTE=Vepe;2925507]1. Cars & engines
- RWD only, no FWD


why no FWD??? instead it would be more right to let freedom to each manufacture to choose which system to use FWD, RWD or 4*4WD

[iceman-1987]

4. Schedule

1. South American Race - Buenos Aires, ARG/Interlagos,BRA
2. San Marino Race - Imola, ITA
3. Spanish Race - Jerez, SPA
4. Porto Race - Porto, POR
5. French Race - Pau, FRA
6. German Race - Nordschleife, GER *
7. East European Race - Red Bull Ring, AUT/Brno, CZE/Hungaroring, HUN
8. Scandinavian Race - Anderstop, SWE
9. British Race - Donington, GBR
10. USA East Race - Road America, USA
11. USA West Race - Long Beach, USA
12. Japanese Race - Suzuka, JPN
13. Macau Race - Macau, CHN
14. Pacific Race - Surfers Paradise, AUS
15. Australian Race - Bathurst, AUS

do u really think it would be possible to race in street circuit with about 40 cars on the grid? moreover u cant dont put MONZA!

[Vepe]

Originally Posted by iceman-1987

do u really think it would be possible to race in street circuit with about 40 cars on the grid

It depends on the track. And, TC 2000 series in Argentina features 36 cars on the grid and they race on street circuits.

why no FWD??? instead it would be more right to let freedom to each manufacture to choose which system to use FWD, RWD or 4*4WD

In my own view, FWD isn´t good when you have ~400 hp.

[iceman-1987]

In my own view, FWD isn´t good when you have ~400 hp.[/QUOTE]


ok but if it is just this the problem we can reduce the hp to 330/350 hp! and morever there would be for sure a compensation weight between fwd and rwd.

[Roy4]

*BUMP*

[MJones94]

Originally Posted by Roy4

I was just thinking about this, and thought about what my dream touring car schedule and format would be?

Car Classes:
Class 2/B – A Feeder series to Class 1/A.
S2000 regulations.
Class 1/A – Premier Class
V8 Supercar regulations.

Free Practice:
Friday Morning: 2x20 Minutes or Class 2 .2x30 minutes for Class 2.*

Qualification:
Saturday Morning: 20 Minutes for Class 2, 30 Minutes for Class 1 – Minimum of 2 timed laps in the session. Each cars fastest timed lap of the session forms the grid for Race 1.

*Sessions extended at endurance races.

Race Format:
Saturday Afternoon: Class 2, Race 1 – 75km, Grid is formed by qualifying.
Class 1, Race 1 – 100km, Grid id formed by qualifying.
Sunday Afternoon: Class 2, Race 2 – 75km, Grid is formed by the fastest laps from race 1.
Class 1, Race 2 – 100km, Grid is formed by the fastest laps from race 1.

A compulsory tyre stop must be completed during each race.

Points:
Class 1: 50, 47, 44, 41, 38, 35, 32, 30, 28, 26, 24, 22, 20, 18, 16, 14, 12, 10, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1
Class 2: Same as Class 1.

A bonus point for Pole Position and for the fastest lap of each race.

Schedule:
R1: Zhuhai
R2: Zandvoort
R3: Rome Street Circuit
R4: Algarve, Portimao
R5: Jerez
R6: Dijon-Prenois
R7: Nurburgring
R8: Spa 24 Hours*
R9: Brands Hatch
R10: Potrero de los Funes* {500km}
R11: Laguna Seca
R12: Eastern Creek
R13: Okayama
R14: Macau

I like the idea except for the points system as a driver would not need to win any races in a season and could still win the championship by consistently coming home in the top 4.

[Carsandmotorracing]

Ok 19 races, and it will be the current WTCC format (DTM, V8 Supercars are not really global type series IMO).

1 - Race of Argentina - Potrero de los Funes Circuit
2 - Race of Brazil - Autódromo José Carlos Pace
3 - Race of Mexico - Autódromo Miguel E. Abed
4 - Race of USA - Bicentennial Park (Miami)
5 - Race of Canada - Circuit Trois-Rivières
6 - Race of UK - Brands Hatch
7 - Race of Spain - Valencia Street Circuit
8 - Race of France - Circuit Paul Ricard
9 - Race of Germany - Norsing
10 - Race of Netherlands - Circuit Park Zandvort
11 - Race of Italy - Monza
12 - Race of South Africa - Durban Street Circuit
13 - Race of UAE - Yas Marina Circuit
14 - Race of Sweden - Mantrop Park
15 - Race of China - Shanghai Street Circuit
16 - Race of Japan - Suzuka GP
17 - Race of Australia - Barbagallo Raceway
18 - Race of New Zealand - Ruapuna Park
19 - Race of Macau - Guia Circuit

[FordCosworthPanoz]

Well, I would have to write an entire novel about my ideal changes to touring car racing. However, most would revolve around the rules making it more like the Continental Tire Sports Car Challenge in the US and other showroom series, significantly cutting costs and making a quality program more logistical for small, private teams. Sure, it would slower the speed, but who watches touring car racing for the speed of the cars, especially when you have the potential for the kind of variety you see in CTSCC or World Challenge in North America?

Also, enough of this 20 or 30 minute sprint race rubbish, by the time the viewer has sat down after getting his drinks and snacks the race is already over. I find it comical that many modern touring car fans call these pathetically short races *real touring car racing*, if so, they obviously dont remember the old days of the ETCC or even BTCC. Many series with long races often end up having closer finishes than WTCC/BTCC/STCC ect.

Have one 40 Minute to 1 Hour *Sprint race* on Saturday with a 2 to 4 hour race on Sunday. Pitstops for the Sunday race which will lead to actual (gasp) strategy and these days the fastest car wont be able to win the race without a excellent strategy by the team like in V8 Supercars. Also, dont be afraid to race on bigger circuits like Spa or even the Nordschleife.

P.S. Despite this, unlike many on this forum I have no problem at all with Silhouettes, especially when the alternative today is SWhateveritisnow000 or NGTC.

[iceman-1987]

WTCC DREAM ENTRY LIST

TEAM CHEVROLET
1 Y. MULLER
2 R. HUFF
3 A. MENU
4 C. BUENO

TEAM SEAT
5 G. TARQUINI
6 R. COLCIAGO
7 J. GENE
8 T. MONTEIRO
9 P. TERTING

TEAM BMW
10 J. MULLER
11 A. PRIAULX
12 A. FARFUS
13 D. MULLER
14 T. BIAGI
15 A. ZANARDI

TEAM VOLVO
16 R. RYDELL
17 R. DAHLGREN
18 K. BURT
19 T. RUSTAD

TEAM FORD
20 T. CHILTON
21 M. JACKSON
22 J.M. SILVA
23 N. FONTANA


TEAM ALFA ROMEO
24 F. GIOVANARDI
25 N. LARINI
26 G.FISICHELLA
27 A. BALZAN

TEAM HONDA
28 J. THOMPSON
29 P. KOX
30 G. SHEDDEN
31 L. PERNIA
32 J. WATT

TEAM RENAULT
33 J. PLATO
34 J.C. BOULLION
35 M. ROSSI
36 S. ORTELLI
37 S. COMINI

TEAM MAZDA
38 M.NEAL
39 V. RADERMECKER
40 E. HELARY
41 M. KRUMM

TEAM OPEL
42 U.ALZEN
43 E. HELARY
44 M. BARTELS
45 L. AIELLO

[MichiB]

My dream schedule:

February: Dubai
March: Road Atlanta
March: Fuji
April: Jarama
April: Monza
May: Brünn
May: Spa-Francorchamps
June: Mugello
June: Nürburgring Nordschleife
July: Anderstorp
July: Dijon
August : Zandvoort
August: Portimao
September: Mugello
September: Bathurst
October: Road America
October: Portero de los Funes
November: Sugo
November: Goldenport Bejing
November: Macau

[nickyf1]

Originally Posted by FordCosworthPanoz

However, most would revolve around the rules making it more like the Continental Tire Sports Car Challenge in the US and other showroom series, significantly cutting costs and making a quality program more logistical for small, private teams. Sure, it would slower the speed, but who watches touring car racing for the speed of the cars, especially when you have the potential for the kind of variety you see in CTSCC or World Challenge in North America?

Yes, this man gets it.

[sukispeed]

Originally Posted by iceman-1987

WTCC DREAM ENTRY LIST

TEAM HONDA
28 J. THOMPSON
29 P. KOX
30 G. SHEDDEN
31 L. PERNIA
32 J. WATT

Team Honda should be

Matt Neal
Gordan Shedden
Peter Cunningham
Pierre Kleinubing

Team Nissan should be

Michael Krumm
Laurent Aïello
Anthony Reid
Benoît Tréluyer