would this cracked windsreen pass

johneturbo · 21 Apr 2003, 18:39 (Ref:575812)

scrutineering? its not in the line of my vision and out the the steering wheel line what do you guys think

egomeister · 21 Apr 2003, 21:20 (Ref:575920)

No idea about your question - sorry! Its a 205 isn't it? What do you compete in?

carrera · 21 Apr 2003, 21:27 (Ref:575923)

I'd remove the arrow.

Lee Janotta · 22 Apr 2003, 00:37 (Ref:576032)

You call that a crack? British scrutineers must be anal.

**Peter Mallett** · 22 Apr 2003, 05:27 (Ref:576118)

I suspect it would pass but then again wouldn't it be better to replace it anyway?

brickkicker · 22 Apr 2003, 08:48 (Ref:576224)

If your not sure change it. Its hard to tell from the photo how far it goes up, but it will be pointed out and its not worth being stopped from racing for something you think you should change.
Lee Janotta unlike in most European countries and over the pond here they check the car inside and out. They do more than kick the tyres.

Lee Janotta · 22 Apr 2003, 13:37 (Ref:576468)

Quote:

Originally posted by brickkicker
Lee Janotta unlike in most European countries and over the pond here they check the car inside and out. They do more than kick the tyres.

Quite a shame. That must send budgets through the roof.

brickkicker · 22 Apr 2003, 14:53 (Ref:576548)

Quite a shame??? Why? Because we don't want any unnecessary injuries. Its an expensive game and anyone who wants to play has to pay.

**Peter Mallett** · 22 Apr 2003, 15:35 (Ref:576593)

I think we are being somewhat tough on Lee there. To my best understanding the US is as stringent with its safety requirements as the UK. Especially when one considers the litigious nature of that country. I suspect that's why there are so many yellows in Nascar and Indy etc.

Lee Janotta · 22 Apr 2003, 18:48 (Ref:576830)

Rather elitist attitude there, brickkicker. But it keeps out that "undesirable element", huh?

Actually, Peter, there are quite a few reasons for all the yellows. Really, they're the only possible way to clean up an accident on an oval. Likewise on street courses, since we can't afford those huge cranes you see at Monaco and Melbourne. But on road courses, they're mostly just used to bunch up the field, and to allow time for commercials. Kind of contrived, I'll admit.

As for US scrutineering standards... Actually, the waivers are usually upheld in the courts here. In the pro series, sure, everything needs to be in top condition for the race, but... Well, lemme put it this way.

http://www.shadybowl.com/photos/images/sb81.jpg

If he got that bumper secured, he'd be ready for the next race.

In road racing, standards are a bit higher, but you can still see lots of cars with mildly cracked windshields, crumpled fenders or home-made spoilers racing in the Improved Touring or other lower club racing classes.

brickkicker · 22 Apr 2003, 19:33 (Ref:576904)

No I don't think it elitists at all. The rules are the rules for everyone not just the top teams. Everyone who races has to appreciate the costs of competing

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In the pro series, sure, everything needs to be in top condition for the race

Why? are you saying if you cant afford it you don't need to change it?? Bit of a stupid way of looking at it.

As for the picture isn't that banger racing, if it is then there is no comparison.

Lee Janotta · 22 Apr 2003, 19:40 (Ref:576916)

It's elitist if it's there to keep out the riffraff. It's the rule I'm arguing with, not the application of it.

And yeah, that's from a Beater Stock race. I was using it as an extreme example. But the case is, you can find some pretty well-worn vehicles at the back of most sportsman grids here that wouldn't get past UK regs. That's the upside of the sport being considered a hobby rather than a career.

The downside, of course, is that it's damn near impossible to find a third-party sponsor at anything but the highest levels.

brickkicker · 22 Apr 2003, 19:47 (Ref:576925)

Its not there to keep anyone out, they are there for safety reasons.
You can find 'well worn' cars in the UK but most are still well looked after all the person looking after it is generally the one say in it when its on the track.

ss_collins · 22 Apr 2003, 19:58 (Ref:576950)

To be honest if you need to ask the question - will it get through scrute - change it!

Logrence · 22 Apr 2003, 20:01 (Ref:576955)

Quote:

Originally posted by Lee Janotta
Rather elitist attitude there, brickkicker. But it keeps out that "undesirable element", huh?

Well no. It keeps out the unsafe element. Racing is dangerous enough without allowing people to take unnecessary risks.

Lee Janotta · 22 Apr 2003, 20:41 (Ref:577047)

Oh well. Still can't see what difference a little crack in the windshield is going to make.

Forgive me, I just get rather steamed anytime I think how much this sport actually costs. It's absolutely insane.

brickkicker · 22 Apr 2003, 20:55 (Ref:577095)

Well if your travelling at high speed and the screen fails what will happen then? The driver may lose control and hit a wall or another driver. This is just to big a risk to take. And as ss_collins said if you need to ask you already know the answer.
I totally agree that motor racing costs are far to high but you should not put a price on your own (and that of other) safety.

Warwick · 22 Apr 2003, 22:03 (Ref:577335)

At some of our meetings now vehicle/bike scrutineering is random examination and when you sign in you sign a slip stating that your vehicle meets all current regulations for your class.

**Peter Mallett** · 23 Apr 2003, 06:27 (Ref:577638)

Blimey,

I can see the philosophy behind that. It makes every individual responsible for his/her actions. Trouble is you need to be more stringent in your policing.

Warwick · 23 Apr 2003, 09:43 (Ref:577799)

One of the reasons for this is if your vehicle passes scrutineering and then has some type of failure there is always the chance someone will consider the scrutineer liable for the incident and say why didn't you find it,with signing a disclaimer there is no comeback on the scrutineer,it is up to the individual to make sure they comply,some people will always take shortcuts and they are generally the ones who get picked for the "random" checks.

brickkicker · 23 Apr 2003, 09:52 (Ref:577811)

This is what I meant about other countries not taking the same responsibility as we do over here. You have to remember your not just looking at his car for his benefit but for the other competitors. As for liability, the driver is solely responsible for his car scrutineers cannot be held responsible for any failures (its in the blue book somewhere).

275 GTB-4 · 23 Apr 2003, 11:22 (Ref:577880)

Believe the aircraft industry has higher standards than racing cars and this one seem s to have passed scrutineering

johneturbo · 24 Apr 2003, 16:07 (Ref:579552)

thanx for the replys.. picked up a windscreen from the local breakers £25 so not to costly..just hope this one lasts more than 2 races

275 GTB-4 that is a nasty crack

all

Lee Janotta · 24 Apr 2003, 21:39 (Ref:579950)

Ah, well, that's a nice end to it then.

PDL · 24 Apr 2003, 22:25 (Ref:579985)

John, I fitted a brand new screen for Donnington and mine's chipped as well now after Brands, though luckily its tiny and passable. £25 seems like a bargain. Do the screens come out easily then from cars then? I must remember that. Top tip for screens!

Good luck for Snetterton. I may be spectating, but I won't be competing.

Phil Law

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