BMW E21 racecars

tzei · 17 Nov 2003, 13:28 (Ref:785872)

Hi! I'm trying to find/get good pictures of both works cars and team Schnitzer (Gr5). Their bodykits and wings are interesting... I have some idea about how they differs but more info would be nice.
Also if someone have pictures about Tuisku Urpiala's and Nils-Gustav Wiik's Gr5 iceracing cars I would be wery interested indeed.
Tryed to search but darn four-letter-rule hinderes my quest!? How to search BMW-stuff?:confused:

johnw · 17 Nov 2003, 13:36 (Ref:785891)

Good pics here

http://www.allsportauto.com/english/...to&zl_idMD=565

johnw · 17 Nov 2003, 13:38 (Ref:785895)

And here (click on the picture for more pics)
I just tried google with "bmw e21 turbo race car"

http://www.race-cars.com/carsold/bmw...0/77-320ss.htm

johnw · 17 Nov 2003, 13:49 (Ref:785912)

Last one!
http://www.race-cars.com/carsold/bmw...0/77-320ss.htm

tzei · 18 Nov 2003, 08:55 (Ref:786837)

Thank You! Thats a start. Was kinda looking for that race-cars.com link!

Nordic · 18 Nov 2003, 09:10 (Ref:786847)

If you speak german the text may be of interest. both these sites also have lots of images
www.lisa-racing.com and www.racing.stephan-kremer.de

Alex E · 23 Nov 2003, 16:39 (Ref:792237)

Hello Tzei,
Nils-Gustav Wiik`s 320 Group 5 car was brought to England from Finland about 6 years ago. It is still here. Also I think Urpiala`s 320 is here.(were they the same car ???) I am confused about owners of these cars in Finland, but i also brought 2 more Group 5 320`s from Finland. One from John Westman, one from a bankrupt sale. Both are still here. I can send you pictures if you want.
Alex.

tzei · 24 Nov 2003, 11:02 (Ref:792834)

Hi Alex E. N-G Wiik's car is Team Schnitzer car and left here with 2.0/2.1 tbo 16V eng. T.Urpiala's car is BMW Junior Team's car (2.0 NA 16V a.c.a. F2 M12/7?). Orginally from Sweden, made for R.Pettersson -I thik. Yes they are different cars. Urpiala's car was then owned by gentleman called Helge Snabb, Then I'm not sure - maybe J.W bought it next? N-G W's car may well been that auction car! I think they both came to England thru J.W.
Have done some digging around the subject. Pictures would be highly appreciated.
How many Gr5 cars do you have? I know only these two that was factory-build that was in here.

Alex E · 24 Nov 2003, 14:45 (Ref:792986)

Hi Tzei
Yes the Wiik car was ex Schnitzer, Winkelhock/Rodenstock. The other 320 chassis #22 was ex BMW Motorsport and then BMW Sweden. This is the car that I got from a bank sale. The other car from JW is a mystery as I could only trace it back to Mr Simonsen in Sweden, who owned it in early 1980`s. When I got it it had a normally aspirated Schnitzer 2 litre slant engine I think from a 2002.So in all I have three cars here rom finland. I am invloved with 4 more of these cars as well. One Schnitzer, one HAT and one Junior Team car.
If I find any good pictures I will send them to you, is any one of particular interest ?
Regards Alex.

tzei · 25 Nov 2003, 06:38 (Ref:793584)

Yes. I'm lookin into buying GF-molds for those Gr5 Schnitzer and works junior team cars. Since they are rather expensive I'd like to know what they should look like.So pics of bodykits in detail would be helpfull. Now I recall that there was few cars that came from Sweden but they weren't factory cars but made from normal streetcar by someones in Sweden. I reveal my lack of knowledge but what is HAT? Regards Tzei.

Alex E · 25 Nov 2003, 08:55 (Ref:793685)

Hi Tzei,
I do have some body moulds here, but for you I think JW can help. When I bought his 320 he offered me a complete set of body moulds but I declined due to problems transporting them. If you contact him I am sure he will still have them. Please pass on my regards.
I did have contact with someone in Germany who had approx two sets of new body panels. But I think they have been sold now.
HAT is Hohmann Auto Tecknik who were a semi-works team in the DRM 1977.
Regards Alex.

tzei · 26 Nov 2003, 06:38 (Ref:794711)

Did JW say for wich car (schnitzer or works) he had body panel moulds for and how much do you think that they are worth? The rumor of moulds may be just these? But here exists moulds for both cars - I think... Will look JW op also.
Regards Tzei

Alex E · 26 Nov 2003, 08:38 (Ref:794769)

Hi Tzei,
The moulds did exist when I bought the car as I still have pictures of them. He also had some other 320 parts that might still be of interst to me. Not sure which design but the rear fenders are the same for both, just the front fenders and spoiler are different. JW will know which car they are for I am sure. As for value very difficult as the moulds if bad quality might be useless. However I am sure JW does not have a use for them.
If you should ever find any old rally cars in Finland please let me know as I am interested. Especially anything BMW, though unlikely I suppose.
Regards Alex.

tzei · 27 Nov 2003, 06:19 (Ref:795766)

Hi Alex!
Pics of moulds would be interesting...
All old rally cars (any make)are rather well digged up for historic race/rally so... If one gets extremely lucky them maybe. I know one 2002 that is orig. rally car (J. Todd was once co-driver) but not surprisengly it's not for sale! From time to time cars (ready) are sold. Want to have one of those? Could ask around for NK, 2002 with FIA-pass.
Regards Tzei

Alex E · 27 Nov 2003, 08:02 (Ref:795813)

Hi Tzei,
If you give me your e-mail address I can send you various pictures.
I have a friend who is very enthusiastic about old rally cars & always interested to hear of anything. I had heard about the 2002 you mention it is an interesting car.
I am always interested to hear about anything BMW really.
I will go dig out some pictures for you.
Regards Alex.

tzei · 28 Nov 2003, 05:53 (Ref:796690)

Hi Alex. I think you got mail?!
Regards Tzei

Zep · 2 Dec 2003, 14:50 (Ref:801532)

Hi tzei! Contact me, I'm also after same information and know quite good source -just haven't have enought energy to contact.

personal.inet.fi/surf/mpuumala

tzei · 3 Dec 2003, 08:54 (Ref:802340)

Hi Zep!
Tryed your e-mail from site above. 1st didn't work so used 2nd one. hope you get it.

Alex E · 6 Dec 2003, 08:22 (Ref:805399)

hello tzei,
I had contact from a man that owns a Group 5 320, he told me he has body moulds for all types of E21 Gr 5 style. Not sure exactly what he has but I weill find out more & let you know.
Regards Alex.

Alex E · 11 Dec 2003, 21:11 (Ref:809588)

Hi Tzei
I heard today that the Wiik 320 turbo is for sale. It is now back in original livery from 1978.
Alex

tzei · 12 Dec 2003, 05:48 (Ref:809818)

Hello Alex
And now I wish i had the money

I assume it's prized rather well!? Hope it stays in europe and ends up here -uh?
Have to pass a word around...
Is it just a car or does it come with some spears etc.?
Jami

Mave · 16 Dec 2003, 00:43 (Ref:812667)

tzei:

You're planning to brutalize a certain red '77 316, aren't you? Or am I badly mistaken?

tzei · 16 Dec 2003, 07:56 (Ref:812842)

Nope! But that have occured to me a few times

Thats not too bad chassis to start from. I think i sell it and molest some newer 315 or something?

Hobson · 18 Dec 2003, 14:51 (Ref:815221)

If anyones interested, model company Tamiya are going to make an E21 Gp 5 in 1/24 scale self-build kit.

http://www.tamiya.com/english/produc...320i/index.htm

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