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4 Oct 2011, 13:15 (Ref:2965550) | #1 | |
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Racing pads and shoes
Does anyone on here know what racing brake shoes should be on the back of a Fiesta and what pads should be on the front? Back in my day it was Ferodo DS11s (I think I still have a set unopened somewhere for a Cooper S) on the front I cant remember what we used on the back.
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4 Oct 2011, 13:29 (Ref:2965555) | #2 | ||
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I've had a couple of FWD race cars.
Both worked well with Ferodo DS2500 or DS3000 on the front, and standard pads on the rear. I don't think the rear brakes are called on to do much in a FWD racer. The choice of DS3000 or DS2500 would depend on the type of event you are contemplating. It has been said that DS3000s are "hard" on discs, but I didn't find that. I'm sure others will have their own favourite pad materials. Personally I've found the Ferodo pads a good price to performance compromise. |
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4 Oct 2011, 14:48 (Ref:2965570) | #3 | ||
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Brake shoes
Back in the days when DS11s were de rigeur for disc pads on the front, rear drums used shoes in VG95 material.
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Uncle Eric used EBC green stuff (he's not sure what colour they are as he's colour blind) up front and probably cheapest motor factors whatevers for the rear shoes.
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4 Oct 2011, 16:46 (Ref:2965630) | #6 | |
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ebc are shopping pads, Mintex 1155's are ok but don't last, I've gone to DS3000 recently and they seem pretty good
I can't remember what but I have uprated mintex on the rear shoes |
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4 Oct 2011, 17:08 (Ref:2965647) | #7 | ||
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Never got on with DS 3000. We use 1144 in everything. Make a mess and ware out but thats because they work.!!!!. Next question.
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4 Oct 2011, 19:14 (Ref:2965726) | #8 | ||
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bit sweeping there Zef! EBC blacks and greens are shopping / trackday pads - but yellows are race pads and blues are endurance race pads, not bad either IMO.
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4 Oct 2011, 20:55 (Ref:2965784) | #10 | ||
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Definitely can't! Asbestos was banned some time in the 1980s, but VG95 production stopped probably some time in the early 1970s - never was a big runner in production terms.
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4 Oct 2011, 21:24 (Ref:2965798) | #11 | |
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Sorry, I'm not Spectrum, just didn't see all the working colours of EBC!
1144's where great Iain, as are 55's, when I whip the DS3000's out and inspect I can make a better comparisson, but I went from 44's to 55's, and they faded badly at spa a few years back, that was after a goodwood weekend, then on to spa and all on unvented steel rims . . .they cooked. |
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4 Oct 2011, 21:54 (Ref:2965813) | #12 | ||
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Brakes ! never use them as they only slow you down
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I used to run DS3000 but they tended to leave a rubbery deposit on the disc. Now use a Mintex pad (not sure which). Although we had problems with a warped disc in the Snet 6hrs this year, the pads generally work fine on the Capri.
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6 Oct 2011, 11:59 (Ref:2966605) | #14 | |
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Have used DS2500 for a number of years but tried 3000 at Brands last month, snapped rear axle after 8 laps so they must be b***y good!
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ds3000 & std rear shoes in my fiesta, even took the xr2 drums off & put the smaller '950 pop' ones on & still sometimes locks the rear with the brake bias almost full front cos the back wheels are just about off the ground under the hardest of braking |
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14 Oct 2011, 14:05 (Ref:2971116) | #17 | |
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It seems that DS3000 comes in a range of compounds with different mu (friction) levels:
DS3000 Endurance have a mu of 0.48 DS3000 have a mu of 0.62 DS3000 PLUS 03 have a mu of 0.72 If you can find suitable pads for your calipers in the DS3000 PLUS 03 material then you will get the most braking friction for a given pedal pressure. With 'hard' rear drum linings this will effectively move the braking bias towards the front, which is what you want. DS2500 has a mu of 0.5 and DS11 had a mu of 0.3 - very low by modern standards. However, DS11 won 265 out of 267 Grand Prix between 1961 and 1981 (when iron discs were replaced by carbon) - so no wonder we 'all' uesd it back in the day! Last edited by phoenix; 14 Oct 2011 at 14:11. |
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Ah, the good old days when it was a simple choice - "hard" pads which would stop you eventually, but do it all day, or "soft" pads which would stop you on the proverbial sixpence. . . once! |
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Back in the "good old days" I had the use of a Fiat 1500 that I used for all sorts of dastardly deeds with young ladies !
I used to absolutely murder it home after having my "fun" and wondered why the brakes used to fade until I noticed that the discs were glowing red hot although they never failed completely |
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