Are the Kellys really any good?

stmorri · 4 Nov 2007, 10:58 (Ref:2059212)

It's a subject I have wanted to raise for some time. I know that Rick is the current dubious champ and that he has also won Bathurst, but to me he is isn't anywhere near as good a steerer as Tander. And Todd is not a patch on what Skaife was. There just seems to be something missing. Personally, I hope holden keep them. I much prefer to see the likes of Frosty and Whincup in the Ford camp.

James63 · 4 Nov 2007, 12:25 (Ref:2059260)

I think both Rick and Todd are "solid" drivers...but they do lack the edge that your Lowndes', Skaife's, Tander's and Ambrose's have. The Fire inside I guess.

dsg · 4 Nov 2007, 13:20 (Ref:2059280)

I have always thought Rick was flattered by the cars he was given to drive. Nothing he has done in the last two years has changed my mind. Todd seems to have a bit more ability to drive around a cars' problems than Rick.

I think they would be journeyman drivers at best if there was not a relationship to the team owner.

TSR · 4 Nov 2007, 14:44 (Ref:2059314)

Todd about 70% and Crash BANDICOOT about 10%

Pro Racer · 4 Nov 2007, 14:59 (Ref:2059325)

i say they are both good driver and most of the time will bring the car home straight (Todd more so), but in saying that if they are put in a tuff position like Lowndes on the weekend they would do that their progress would of been slower and probably wouldn't have got that high.

Exceler8 · 5 Nov 2007, 01:11 (Ref:2059730)

Both Rick and Todd are very good drivers but they just cant seem to get that extra bit out of the car when it isnt at its best unlike lowndes,skaife,Tander,And Ambrose when he was here

db120176 · 5 Nov 2007, 01:51 (Ref:2059745)

Good, but not great. Ideal co-drivers, but not stars in their own right

deeks6 · 5 Nov 2007, 03:43 (Ref:2059772)

Ask yourself this ... if they did not have a rich dad and Front Running cars their entire career, would they have achieved anything?

Would Rick have won bathurst without Murf? Hardly
Would Todd have won without Skaife? He could barely keep up with Warren Luff in the Pirtek that year ...

Todd is terribly inconsistent and Rick cannot pass a genuine contender without hitting him.

They are not in the same league as Skaife, Lowndes, Murphy or new young guns like Frosty, Whincup and Holdsworth ...

nivag71 · 5 Nov 2007, 03:52 (Ref:2059775)

Apart from Bathurst and the NZ round...Who is Murphy ????

doug05 · 5 Nov 2007, 08:25 (Ref:2059865)

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Originally Posted by deeks6

Ask yourself this ... if they did not have a rich dad and Front Running cars their entire career, would they have achieved anything?

Would Rick have won bathurst without Murf? Hardly
Would Todd have won without Skaife? He could barely keep up with Warren Luff in the Pirtek that year ...

Todd is terribly inconsistent and Rick cannot pass a genuine contender without hitting him.

They are not in the same league as Skaife, Lowndes, Murphy or new young guns like Frosty, Whincup and Holdsworth ...

I would rate Rick higher than Todd, purely because after all, he has won a championship, which means he has proven to be consistent over a whole year, which again he is proving this year, if not right up there for outright pace.

Todd on the otherhand, I have to agree wholeheartedly with you deeks, he has proven to be terribly inconsistent, and only when all the planets within each universes line up is he a force to be reckoned with... And agree with the Bathurst comment, Bathurst 05 was all Skaife. Every other co-driver blew him away, what 'real' excuse is there for that?

Sultan · 5 Nov 2007, 09:11 (Ref:2059901)

I think they can both be bloody quick drivers, Todd more so than Rick, they just seem very hot & cold. Mind you, almost the entire field has shown flashes of brilliance, It's just some people show it more consistently...

Rick's consistency is more of a case of other people getting in to trouble as opposed to any significant talent on his behalf...

WebberForWDC · 5 Nov 2007, 09:54 (Ref:2059943)

Obviously they are good because they get the job done.

Even Brighty can't do much out of a top car.

Maybe it's more a question of are the veteran drivers stuck with slower cars as good as the Kellys, do the veterans have less top fives/podiums/wins then they probably should have? Bargwanna, Wilson, McConville etc. The top 10 pace by Bargs in the ex-Forbes or Ritter chassis is some sort of true brilliance.

Henry · 5 Nov 2007, 11:37 (Ref:2060041)

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Originally Posted by WebberForWDC

Obviously they are good because they get the job done.

They're as good as many out there. Nothing brilliant, but they do OK. If you could pair Todd's even temperament with Rick's pace, you'd have a better package I think. There are relatively few real driving superstars in the field - and it's always been thus - and sadly, I woudn't put either Kelly among the real good operators; the Tanders, Brights, Lowndeses etc. Give it two seasons and see if they haven't been completely eclipsed by the current generation of emerging young guns - the Whincups, Frosties, Davo's, Holdsworths etc...

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Originally Posted by WebberForWDC

Even Brighty can't do much out of a top car.

Can't he? He's frightened a few big money entrants this year...

Used Car · 5 Nov 2007, 23:39 (Ref:2060719)

Q: Are the Kelly's really any good?
A: Not in my view

Handed the very best cars from the day they hit the race track. Learned from the best blokes. Learned the process. Can flog around all day doing the same kind of pace. Cannot pull laps out of their bum (ala Frosty) because that inner skill aint there.

Would be great in a 24hr race. Consistent. But crashy.

Wouldnt hire them.

Chatters · 6 Nov 2007, 10:20 (Ref:2060970)

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Originally Posted by Used Car

Would be great in a 24hr race. Consistent. But crashy.

Didn't Todd (along with Murph, Bright, and Brocky) win the 2003 Bathurst 24 Hour race?

1200Datto27 · 6 Nov 2007, 10:37 (Ref:2060993)

When you drive a car that can lap 10 seconds faster than any other car in the field, whilst being driven at 8/10th's, you don't have to take as many risks or push the car as hard.

**GTRMagic** · 6 Nov 2007, 10:51 (Ref:2061014)

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Originally Posted by 1200Datto27

When you drive a car that can lap 10 seconds faster than any other car in the field, whilst being driven at 8/10th's, you don't have to take as many risks or push the car as hard.

The Monaro or a WP VE?

1200Datto27 · 6 Nov 2007, 11:29 (Ref:2061049)

Was talking about the Munro, but the WP VE's might have been the same earlier in the year.

SSbaby · 6 Nov 2007, 11:37 (Ref:2061057)

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Originally Posted by Henry

They're as good as many out there. Nothing brilliant, but they do OK. If you could pair Todd's even temperament with Rick's pace, you'd have a better package I think. There are relatively few real driving superstars in the field - and it's always been thus - and sadly, I woudn't put either Kelly among the real good operators; the Tanders, Brights, Lowndeses etc. Give it two seasons and see if they haven't been completely eclipsed by the current generation of emerging young guns - the Whincups, Frosties, Davo's, Holdsworths etc...

My thoughts exactly.

stmorri · 6 Nov 2007, 20:42 (Ref:2061501)

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Originally Posted by Chatters

Didn't Todd (along with Murph, Bright, and Brocky) win the 2003 Bathurst 24 Hour race?

David Thexton could have won that event in that car!

Pro Racer · 7 Nov 2007, 02:37 (Ref:2061745)

no the other Monaro would of won

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stmorri · 7 Nov 2007, 03:27 (Ref:2061770)

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Originally Posted by Pro Racer

no the other Monaro would of won

.

Sorry Racer, I forgot that was the year they raced two of them.

Camaroz · 7 Nov 2007, 11:05 (Ref:2062000)

Back to the original Q!

NO.

MRJUCY · 7 Nov 2007, 13:36 (Ref:2062128)

Are they good yes, are they great no.

Sparklehorse · 8 Nov 2007, 06:39 (Ref:2062688)

They are good drivers.

I particuarly rate rick, he can be very fast under pressure.

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