I Can't Believe It: Who should have won?/75% (merged)

[Tom Fuller]

That was really unfair on the Jordan team - they exploded with joy at having won, only to find out they counted back another lap and Raikkonen wins. I'm really disappointed. Who should have won in your opinion?

And poor Alonso - I hope he recovers soon.

[eein]

Martin Brundle (ITV UK Coverage) said that the positions are taken as they are when the leader crosses the line before the red flag.

We all found out about hte red falg about 10 seconds after Alonso crashed. This would indicate that Fisi should have won, as indicated by Martin Brundle.

But I wonder if the red flag actually applies to the Jaguar incident, thus taking the order from when the leader last crossed the line before that?

Iain

[Sodemo]

Jordan should have won. This count back rule is stupid anyway, it was only introduced as a deterrent to people "causing" an accident (therefore a race stoppage) to gain an advantage, the Jordan was in the lead, he should have won the race, they were robbed.

[steve nielsen]

I think the time of the incident counts......

[ASCII Man]

I second that.

[Tom Fuller]

I'm also going to add this - the race can only be finished when it is past 75% race distance. These are the % of race distances for laps 53, 54 and 55:

53 = 74.64788732%
54 = 76.05633803%
55 = 77.46478873%

So therefore, Jordan have won because lap 53 (which it was wound back to) is not 75% race distance. I hope Jordan bring this up in their protest...

[LucaBadoer]

bloody hell. Fisichella won that motor race. This is stupid.

[EERO]

Rules are rules. Despite being faster, the win goes to Kimi.

A better question is who deserves the win?

[Adam43]

It could well be 1 lap before the last completed lap.

[eein]

Steve, Thats what I was thinking - but the response to the incident of the Jaguar was to bring out the safety car.

The red flag appeared (to the tv viewer anyway) to have been in response to the Renault crashing - a subsequent incident.

And more annoyingly, the rubbish ITV coverage finished so quickly that more discussion and explaination was not available in the uk. Any other contries out there get more coverage? More info from the FIA or opinions from team bosses?

Iain

[Down F0rce]

Well the rules say that Raikkonen is the winner. It's a great shame for Fizzy, what a mone on Kimi. Fizzy's day is coming, and hopefully this will give him a boost, now that he knows he can win a race.

This was Jordan's 200th race by the way

Get well soon Alonso.

[Tom Fuller]

Jordan are allowed to protest aren't they? I really hope they do. If worse comes to worse, Raikkonen and Fisichella should be shared the points - as in 9 points each.

[gttouring]

Regardless, the sudden red flag of the race can not fall into the regulations, how can you stop a race as the leader was a croner before the line? Fisi earned P1 and would have lasted if they would safety car the Webber incident and then stopped, this was a little NASCAR-esque. Fisichella wins. (although Kimi had a great drive, but he did screw that last lap.)

[eein]

Tom, do your calculations count the warm up lap? I'm sure it counts towrds the race distance even though it does not count as a numbered lap.

Iain

[Adam43]

Originally posted by Tom Fuller
I'm also going to add this - the race can only be finished when it is past 75% race distance. These are the % of race distances for laps 53, 54 and 55:

53 = 74.64788732%

The race was finished past 75% (on lap 55 after 54 had been completed), but the results are declared for lap 53.

I don't think this is an issue.

[ASCII Man]

Eddie's look on his face was heartbreaking...

[RaceFreak]

Yet another black eye for F1. The "rules are rules" rationalization doesn't change the ract that Fisi passed fair and square prior to the red flag. Can't have such a high-profile sport governed by stupid rules. Get it right gentlemen !

[Tom Fuller]

ITV had to finish because of following programs.

[Logrence]

I know - it's pretty much spoilt an amazing grand prix for me - it was quite poignant to see Fisi standing there looking up to the podium and praying...

[Shinners]

My answer: Jordan. And not because Im Irish. But..... the rules are the rules - they may not always or ever be right but they are the rules unfortunately.

Best wishes to Alonso for a speedy recovery.

[Adam43]

At this stage (without looking into it too much) I think the rules clearly mean Kimi should win.

It is very harsh on Fisi, who doesn't deserve to lose it because of this (ignoring whether he would have gone to win it), but unfortuantly that's the way it is.

[Tom Fuller]

eein - I've calculated it to whatever ITV have told us the last lap was (the accident on lap 55)

[paulzinho]

The way Martin Brundle read the regulations indicated that the last completed lap would be where the result was declared. IE in this case, the lap Fisi took the lead. He won despite leading only a few corners.

But Barrichello really won the race. Just the car decided to be stupid.

[enemy-ace]

Fisichella drove a good race and would have been a justifiable winner but the rules are the rules, and he finished second. If the race went the full distance for all we know he would have had to pit again. Hell the car was on fire in the pits after the red flag. Did he desreve to win? Maybe! I think a lot of guys drove well enough to DESERVE to win. Coulthard certainly got screwed.

[mathieu]

Article 155 says that the race will be stopped if 75 % of the race is done. Here the race was stoped in lap 53 which give 74,647 % of the whole race. But the rule says that you must take the % ( I don't know how to say this in enlish ) "supérieur" ( in french ). I hope you can understand me.
If not check the FIA rules.