Do the VFT support motorsport?

[hml2777]

In an 11th hour move, the Victorian Flagmarshalling Team have withdrawn their support from the Australian Auto Sport Alliance (AASA). From what I have been lead to believe VFT members can still attend, but not under the auspices of VFT (no VFT logo on the overalls, etc).

One really wonders the motivation behind this move.

The VFT were to supply flagmarshalls to Winton this weekend for their round of the Victorian Motor-racing Championship.

The meeting will still go ahead, as there are many people out there who put motorsport first, and will not play the political game.

I am confident that many flaggies will still attend despite this spiteful move by the VFT. I also hear that the VFT President is out of the State at the moment, hence the vote last night.

Maybe Winton and Calder will recruit and train their own flaggies, and when the V8's return to Winton next year, well...

[Matt H]

i know nothing about the vft's decision but lets be honest, the fields at a victorian aasa event havent been startling have they ???

[Matt H]

furthermore, its also very hard to get officials to winton. fuel, accom costs are very hard to pay for.

plus there is a clash this weekend, a license eval at calder..

[Matt H]

word has it there has been no special gm to make this ful ldecision to withdraw support.

most likely the vft cant supply enough officials to go as a club, so therefore the club isnt going as a club.

cheap shot at the president as well. insinuating a vote was made without his presense.

lets have this thread close unless proof can be made, we dont need this type of thread.

[Matt H]

while im still here, a special general meeting the vft had to support the aasa meetings held only earlier this year.

its just a fact that flaggies have personally, decided not to attend, for what ever reason they see fit, and the club, in a whole, wont be fielding a team.

SIMPLE

[hml2777]

Matt, I can usuderstand that the VFT can't supply officials to Winton for a whole range of reasons, but why withdraw support for AASA?

This means they don't want to attend Calder either, sorry, but I can't help but feel that there is another agenda behind this. And what was the vote count at the last vote on this matter? and what was the agenda behind that mneeting?

The fact that the President is away is not a cheap shot, just a fact. I am sorry if a fact offends you.

I will ask the question again, are the VFT here to support motorsport or not?

[Matt H]

i think u have mis information. the supoport has not been withdrawn.

the adgenda was to either fully support or withdraw support from aasa

[hml2777]

My information about the President not being there appears to be wrongs, so I apologise for that. I was wrong.

But I will stand by my statement about the withdrawl of support for AASA.

[Falcadore]

I think everyone needs to step back take a couple of pills and a deep breath, and then after a few hours calmly report the facts.

I'm not a mod here, but certainly threats like the one made in the first post are out of line.

[hml2777]

What a good idea Falcadore

[Flaggie]

Henry...

No support's been withdrawn.

The simple fact is that there were only four (4) people who were able to go to this event, for what ever reason. Of those 4, only 2 could be there both days.

The VFT are providing flags and all needed equipment for anyone who does attend.

Furthermore this is not the first time this has happened to events at Winton as I can recall at least one other time when the VFT have said they cannot provide officials due to lack of interest in attending. We are all volunteers, and if people do have other things on, you cant force them to go. Maybe next time, please, get the full story.

Paul Nowland (F2)
VFT Flaggie

[GTRMagic]

I am interested in this thread... there hasnt been much public movement at the AASA station for some time now... but I agree we need to be careful as to what is said here.

I dont care of CAMS or AASA operates a race meeting, and supplies the insurance, and officials. In the end, it probably doesnt really matter to the non-passionate crowd either.

But I always wonder about hypocricy in such things. For example, does anyone find it a little odd that CAMS contines to holdi observed licence evaluations at a circuit they refuse to license for motorsport????

There is no real right or wrong in this, certainly there are 20 threads down in the bowels of this site that expand the whys and wherefores of the argument....

Thank you for clearing some of this up flaggie

[Flaggie]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

For example, does anyone find it a little odd that CAMS contines to holdi observed licence evaluations at a circuit they refuse to license for motorsport????

Thank you for clearing some of this up flaggie

There's an argument either way here. One can argue that CAMS dont as such hold the evals. They contract the 'licence' to hold evals to JBID, who then run on Calder under their own auspices... *shrugs... * I'm beyond caring about the whole thing to be frank. And I really dont want a flame war about it, as most people have made their opinions and decisions well and truly by now.

And no worries, GTR, just wanted to make sure both sides are heard.

And now back into my 'lurking no posting' box.

[GTRMagic]

Awww you can post any time you like... we dont bite...

... well some of us dont

[Silent Number]

i always find it interesting that people can't make it to smaller things but can always get to the big things
not just car racing

[Falcadore]

Big things also need more people. It's not always the fault of the individual.

[Chronicle]

I was at the VMRC meeting at the weekend, and there more than enough people to cover all required jobs. It was one of the best meetings that there has been, even with a good crowd.

I would like to thank all those other officials who were able to make it to the meeting, and make it a great event for everyone. And a particular thanks to those who travelled from long distances to be there.

[Chronicle]

Sorry to everyone, I mistyped something, where it says

would like to thank all those other officials who were able to make it to the meeting

, I didn't mean to put other in there, I typed something and then deleted it, but didn't delete the word other - sorry, but this forum doesn't allow editing after the event. There was no inference intended

[Matt H]

thats great to see a second state series emerge with good numbers, all round. i personally was doubtful of a second series in this state being sucessful, regardless of who ran it.

to increase officials numbers in vic, for far away meetings like winton and phillip island, perhaps promotors could put maybe sum on site vans for officials to stay in, accomodation costs are one of the main factors for mine, that officials dont make long trips as often as opposed to sandown.

i for one cant afford to, but would love to go.

maybe something to ponder. a couple of cabins and a communial (sp) bbq would increase official numbers.

[Falcadore]

Promotors at Morgan Park, Warwick event assist with accomodation for officials, plus with enthusiastic support from students studying the motorsport course at the TAFE in Warwick means that despite its remotness from Brisbane, Morgan Park is well supported by officials, and a big thank you to all of them.

[hml2777]

I am glad that there were enough people to make it happen and happen well by the sound of it.

Politics has no place in motorsport volunteerism.

[Peak Revs]

It wil be interesting to see the face of the VFT president after he reads his emails today from the track in NE Victoria.

In light of the upcoming v8 round, I hear that the track is supporting those officials who have supported them in the last 2 years, and some people at VFT might find themselves without a bunker ride in June.

[Uncle Cranker]

Originally Posted by Peak Revs

It wil be interesting to see the face of the VFT president after he reads his emails today from the track in NE Victoria.

In light of the upcoming v8 round, I hear that the track is supporting those officials who have supported them in the last 2 years, and some people at VFT might find themselves without a bunker ride in June.

Welcome aboard Peak Revs, yes i'm sure the 'Prez' will be peaking when the penny drops.........

Oh well, 4 or 5 to a flag bunker is far too many, 2 or 3 has always been sufficiant.....(especially when 'the tank' or the T 10 bunker gets his with regularity....)

Interesting to see how many rank-and-file VFT members are informed of the descision, and/or read between the lines and venture forth up the Hume next week-end for VMRC Round 2 ?

A good stock of Brownie points might be a good thing come June, I know I need to build mine, lest i sit in the crowd and imbibe the sponsors product........

[Peak Revs]

I am hearing the invitations to be an Official (of any persuasion) for the V8 round in June is being based on attendance at the NE Track over the last 18 months, not just this year. Attendaces as an Official at the track in the west of Melbourne adds towards the invite as well, but is not as a critical part as attendance at the NE Track.

I also hear that they are not the only 'group' to be told of this decision.

[storyline]

Oran Park has used this method for many years with some success especially given the politics that still reside in NSW between the two circuits up there).

It never ceases to amaze me, in situations like this, that these 'specialist' groups can't just get along with all concerned instead of having to turn it into a political bun fight - by literally sucking up to one organisation or the other.

Isn't it about time that those with political motives just moved aside (form your own organisation if you want to) and let the rest of the volunteer officials go to whatever race meetings they want without having to worry about whether they have upset someone?

The AGP is proably the worst demonstration of this mentality than any other in the country - I am still surprised that those 'selected' to attend the AGP aren't issued a blue shirt, tie, blazer and Gucci shoes as part of their uniforms for it.