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4 Feb 2003, 17:12 (Ref:496302)
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Spring Training Times
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http://leaderboard.vfx.com/ChampCar/LiveTiming_800.asp Apparently it's divided into two groups...1 and 2. With 1 done now. |
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4 Feb 2003, 21:54 (Ref:496621)
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Group 1 results: 1 B. Junqueira 1 Ford-Cosworth/Lola/Bridgestone 51.507 2 P. Tracy 3 Ford-Cosworth/Lola/Bridgestone 51.784 3 A. Fernandez 51 Ford-Cosworth/Lola/Bridgestone 51.970 4 J. Vasser 12 Ford-Cosworth/Reynard/Bridgestone 52.223 5 R. Moreno 4 Ford-Cosworth/Lola/Bridgestone 52.234 6 M. Haberfeld 34 Ford-Cosworth/Reynard/Bridgestone 52.501 7 J. Camathias 19 Ford-Cosworth/Lola/Bridgestone 53.568 8 R. Lavin 5 Ford-Cosworth/Reynard/Bridgestone 53.801 9 P. Lemarie 27 Ford-Cosworth/Lola/Bridgestone 55.080 Group 2 Results: 1 S. Bourdais 2 Ford-Cosworth/Lola/Bridgestone 50.953 2 M. Jourdain Jr. 9 Ford-Cosworth/Lola/Bridgestone 51.407 3 O. Servia 20 Ford-Cosworth/Lola/Bridgestone 51.796 4 O. Servia 20X Ford-Cosworth/Lola/Bridgestone 52.079 5 M. Dominguez 55 Ford-Cosworth/Lola/Bridgestone 52.186 6 M. Jourdain Jr. 9X Ford-Cosworth/Lola/Bridgestone 52.188 7 A. Tagliani 33 Ford-Cosworth/Lola/Bridgestone 52.274 8 R. Hunter-Reay 31 Ford-Cosworth/Reynard/Bridgestone 52.474 9 P. Carpentier 32 Ford-Cosworth/Lola/Bridgestone 52.526 10 D. Manning 15 Ford-Cosworth/Reynard/Bridgestone 52.793 11 R. Gonzalez 11 Ford-Cosworth/Lola/Bridgestone 54.408 Well, that's what happened. A number of the rookies had off-course excursions. I wouldn't really read anything into these times, as most of the rookies were likely still figuring things out like 'what does this button do', 'how does changing blah affect blah', etc, etc... Still, good to see that 2003 is underway! 
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4 Feb 2003, 21:57 (Ref:496625)
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And dont forget the second session would have been a lot quicker than the first as the track would have been very "green" in the morining. As more rubber went down the track would have got quicker and quicker which is why bourdais was down in to the 50 second bracket.
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4 Feb 2003, 22:00 (Ref:496634)
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The times are by and large tightly packed. With the extra downforce and even power this could be a top year.
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4 Feb 2003, 22:13 (Ref:496660)
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They had 2 and a half hours in the first session. Bourdais did that time almost straight out of the pits so I dont think it was the benefit of a rubbered track.
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4 Feb 2003, 22:21 (Ref:496670)
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No, I don't think the greeness of the track was such a big thing... it was experience today.
The guys who had done testing at Sebring with their teams would obviously have the largest advantage going in. Probably Bourdais and Junqueira already had pretty decent setups worked out, and could go out and immediately start doing flying laps. Of everyone there, Bourdais had done the most testing earlier by far. On other side of things, guys like Hunter-Reay, Camathias, Lavin and Lemarie were just learning how to drive the car! They probably had baseline setups that were very understeery, and used to learn the car and the circuit. I doubt any of those guys ever got to doing anything close to a real 'flier' today. Last edited by Jay; 4 Feb 2003 at 22:22. |
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5 Feb 2003, 04:13 (Ref:496873)
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Regardless of the excuses, Bourais did quiet nicely. At this rate, he may only be around for one year.
Oh well, Kimi needs a better teammate anyway.
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5 Feb 2003, 04:36 (Ref:496882)
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we'll see... I have a feeling the championship will be a lot closer than it was last year. There's a few guys there that have decent setups and can go quick on the first lap (Junqueira and Bourdais), there's another group that are still getting their cars setup, and then there's another group that are trying to figure out what the red button on their steering wheel is for.
The one that surprised me was Jourdain actually, going faster than Junquiera, and I don't think they've done any testing here recently (correct me?). Anyway...should be interesting. Anyone worried about car count? 
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5 Feb 2003, 05:56 (Ref:496927)
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The championship will be decided between the N/H team, no other team can come close enough to their staff. The only reason it would be closer than last year is because N/H actually has two decent drivers now.
Camathias aka the next Gregor Foitek, Gonzalez, and Lemaire are total tössers just as expected. Those three should be in driver's ed, not testing a Champ Car. Last edited by corkholio; 5 Feb 2003 at 05:59. |
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5 Feb 2003, 06:39 (Ref:496940)
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Corky,
We've already said 'Give these guys a chance.' This was only their second/third real test!!! |
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5 Feb 2003, 06:42 (Ref:496944)
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1st in some cases actually, that's why I say some were most definately still learning what the buttons on the steering wheel did.
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5 Feb 2003, 08:32 (Ref:497015)
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They have gotten plenty of chances to show whatever speed they have at lower levels and never did so. You expect talent to pop out of nowhere from these guys?
Mind you even Donminguez, who was pretty slow last year, had shown signs of talent often in Lights. Those three mentioned have hardly shown it at all in the past. Well, at least Lemaire is supposed to be a pretty talented skier. |
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5 Feb 2003, 09:39 (Ref:497073)
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As Liz pointed out somewhere else, Zanardi and Montoya were unknown rookies once.
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5 Feb 2003, 10:12 (Ref:497103)
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5 Feb 2003, 16:45 (Ref:497425)
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Ok Corky. Take a deep breath after you sudmit each post, then re-read it, then see if perhaps you can phrase it a little more politely. Also check your facts - Liz is Canadian, so therefore unlikely to be 'completely ignorant about racing outside of the United States'. Her racing hero is from F1, not the US scene.
These guys are new, and sometimes drivers who looked ordinary in junior series can do very well at the top, Lauda, Berger and Da Matta all come to mind. Other guys flop once they reach the top, such as Massa and Rosset |
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5 Feb 2003, 18:08 (Ref:497504)
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I agree Jay, that was pretty impressive of Jourdain.
He really picked it up last year, I'd competely given up on him until then. He could do well this year. Another guy brought along atleast in part by working with Jimmy. |
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5 Feb 2003, 20:56 (Ref:497689)
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Oh come on, Massa didn't flop. He got points in the F1, which I can't say aboot the all favourite Webber. Massa didn't even have the time to flop.
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5 Feb 2003, 22:52 (Ref:497879)
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Clean, that's not a really fair comparison. Massa was in a car way more powerful than Webber's Minardi. And Massa did crash it more than Webber did.
And Webber did get points in F1. He got as many points as Toyota. |
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6 Feb 2003, 00:00 (Ref:497924)
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Webber had 5th at Melbourne. It was a wild battle between him and Salo at the end of the race. Both had crippled cars and were hobbling to the finish.
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6 Feb 2003, 00:08 (Ref:497938)
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Day 2:
Group 1: 1 O. Servia 20 Ford-Cosworth/Lola/Bridgestone 50.940 2 S. Bourdais 2 Ford-Cosworth/Lola/Bridgestone 50.975 3 A. Tagliani 33 Ford-Cosworth/Lola/Bridgestone 51.434 4 M. Jourdain Jr. 9X Ford-Cosworth/Lola/Bridgestone 51.469 5 M. Jourdain Jr. 9 Ford-Cosworth/Lola/Bridgestone 51.475 6 P. Carpentier 32 Ford-Cosworth/Lola/Bridgestone 51.724 7 M. Dominguez 55 Ford-Cosworth/Lola/Bridgestone 51.888 8 R. Hunter-Reay 31 Ford-Cosworth/Reynard/Bridgestone 51.956 9 D. Manning 15 Ford-Cosworth/Reynard/Bridgestone 52.075 10 R. Gonzalez 11 Ford-Cosworth/Reynard/Bridgestone 53.131 Group 2: 1 B. Junqueira 1 Ford-Cosworth/Lola/Bridgestone 51.045 2 J. Vasser 12 Ford-Cosworth/Reynard/Bridgestone 51.353 3 R. Moreno 4 Toyota/Reynard/Bridgestone 51.644 116.343 4 P. Tracy 3 Ford-Cosworth/Lola/Bridgestone 51.737 116.134 5 A. Fernandez 51 Ford-Cosworth/Lola/Bridgestone 51.778 6 M. Haberfeld 34 Ford-Cosworth/Reynard/Bridgestone 52.404 7 R. Lavin 5 Ford-Cosworth/Reynard/Bridgestone 52.577 8 J. Camathias 19 Ford-Cosworth/Lola/Bridgestone 52.632 9 P. Lemarie 27 Ford-Cosworth/Lola/Bridgestone 53.444 |
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6 Feb 2003, 00:14 (Ref:497946)
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I suspect the times will just get closer and close as the weekend goes on... Looks like we're in for an exciting season. Although Bruno is obviously the favorite, it should be quite the fight. Consistency is what makes a winner in this series, that's how Da Matta was able to take the championship so convincingly last year. ...and Bruno is anything but Mr. Consistent. I don't know about Bourdais, but so far he's up there in terms of number of offs so far... I guess all I"m saying is, it should be a graet year!
Lemarie and Gonzalez are still pretty off pace... I'm wondering if this their first time in Champcars? I think that may be the case...so give them a little exta time. |
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6 Feb 2003, 00:41 (Ref:497969)
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6 Feb 2003, 00:50 (Ref:497976)
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RHR also has a better teammate
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6 Feb 2003, 00:51 (Ref:497977)
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Gonzalez improved 1 second,Lemarie 2 almost 3 seconds,Lavin 1 second,Camthias is .9 tenths faster,Manning and Hunter-Reay also going half a second faster. The learning curve may be a tad slow,but at least they are showing improvement.As long as they keep picking up speed with more seat time in the cars,they will do good.
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6 Feb 2003, 00:52 (Ref:497979)
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corkholio, you really do want any excuse possible to dump on these guys don't you? I'll never understand people that do that. Are you the same way with your co-workers? I'd hope not...
As for Ryan, he done some testing at Sebring before in an Atlantic, has had one Champcar test at Firebird (didn't get much track time though..), and has the benefit of Jimmy Vasser giving him a good baseline setup to start out with. Still, I think he's done pretty well so far. Lavin, Lemarie and Gonzalez have had none of the above. Last edited by Jay; 6 Feb 2003 at 00:53. |
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