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14 Oct 2002, 07:01 (Ref:403471)
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Bathurst - CAMS Penalties
CONFEDERATION OF AUSTRALIAN MOTOR SPORT (CAMS)
PRESS RELEASE 14 October 2002 CAMS STATEMENT Stewards penalties imposed at the V8 Supercar Championship Series Round Ten, Bathurst, 10-13 October 2002 Thursday 10 October - matters held over from Queensland Raceway, round 9 Car #65 Briggs Motorsport was found to be in breach of Rule C.2.7 and Rule B6.6.5 in that they allowed the car to be operated in an unsafe condition (loss of wheel nut). Fined $4000. Car #021 Team Kiwi Racing was found to be in breach of Rule C.2.7 and Rule B6.6.5 in that they allowed the car to be operated in an unsafe condition (loss of wheel nut). Fined $2000. Thursday 10 October The following drivers were found to have exceeded the pit lane speed limit: Car #34, Garth Tander, fined $200 Car #20, Matthew Coleman, fined $400 (first offence) and $300 (second offence) Car #40, Cameron McLean, fined $200 Friday 11 October The following drivers were found to have exceeded the pit lane speed limit: Car #65, Dean Canto, fined $300 Car #66, Tony Longhurst, fined $200 Car # 46, John Faulkner, fined $300 Car #24, Romano Racing, was found to be in breach of Rule C5.13 and Rule B6.6.10 in that the car was on the track and not fitted with a functioning data monitor. Fined $2000. Saturday 12 October Car #18 Shell Helix Racing was found to be in breach of Rule C.9.1 and C.12 (12.2.11) in that the car was wider than the permitted maximum of 1832mm. Time recorded in Top 15 Shootout was disallowed. Car #34 Gary Rogers Motorsport was found to be in breach of Rule C.6.6 in that the engine produced power above 7500rpm. Fined $2000 Car #5 Ford Credit Racing was found to be in breach of Rule C.6.6, in that the engine produced power above 7500rpm. Fined $2000 Car #02 Holden Young Lions speed limiter not operating in pit lane. Fined $500 The following drivers were found to have exceeded the pit lane speed limit: Car #87, Allan Grice, fined $200 Sunday 13 October Car #14, Tyler Mecklem, was found to be in breach of rule B.6.5.11 in that he failed to obey the proper directions or instructions of an official appointed to the Meeting. Fined $2000, suspended for 6 months provided no further breaches of a similar nature is proven. The following cars received drive through penalties: Car #17, Shell Helix Racing, for a driving infringement Car #15, K-Mart Racing Team, for crossing the yellow lines at pit entry Car #51, K-Mart Racing Team, for a breach of pit lane safety, plus a 5-minute time penalty Car #29, Paul Morris Motorsport, for exceeding the pit lane speed limit Car #888, OzEmail Racing Team, for a driving infringement Car #05, Team Brock, for excessive fuel spill in pit lane, plus a 1-minute time penalty Car #888 OzEmail Racing Team was found to be in breach of Rule C.2.7 in that they allowed the car to be operated in an unsafe condition (loss of wheel nut). Fined $2000 Car #10 Orrcon Racing was found to be in breach of Rule C.2.7 in that they allowed the car to be operated in an unsafe condition (loss of wheel nut). Fined $2000 |
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14 Oct 2002, 07:06 (Ref:403474)
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Car #34 Gary Rogers Motorsport was found to be in breach of Rule C.6.6 in that the engine produced power above 7500rpm. Fined $2000
Car #5 Ford Credit Racing was found to be in breach of Rule C.6.6, in that the engine produced power above 7500rpm. Fined $2000 -I hope this wasn't in the shootout... was it the warm up? Car #24, Romano Racing, was found to be in breach of Rule C5.13 and Rule B6.6.10 in that the car was on the track and not fitted with a functioning data monitor. Fined $2000. -Ha! Romano just can't win can he... "Ahh, by the way, Mr Romano isn't actually in the car..." 
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14 Oct 2002, 07:07 (Ref:403476)
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Things I find interesting from the above:
Loss of Wheel Nut - euphmism for 'Lost Wheel' - the difference in the fines from the QLD Raceway round. Regardless of where or when it came off, the penalty should be the same. The 18 car - exceeding width - if that had been a state level competitor he would have been excluded from the race meeting. What is so special, in this regard, between V8 competitors and state level competitors? Why was Paul Morris given a Drive-Thru for exceeding the pit lane speed limit whilst drivers on Thurs, Fri and Sat were fined? This is what I mean by the inconsistencies in penalties applied. |
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14 Oct 2002, 07:47 (Ref:403509)
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Morris got a drive thru cause his occurred in race conditions. No point giving guys drive thrus in practice and Qual sessions. That's been consistently applied all year.
The 18 car? Mate, AVESCO are a law unto themselves.... And wimps as well. They wont DSQ cars, cause they know the excrement will hit the air recirculation device. You could also ask why Supercars dont have to confirm to the black numbers on white background rule? They dont have a standard set of numbers like Procar, so that's not the reason... Loss of wheel? All I could honestly suggest is the difference is in likely danger to other competitors or punters. That I will agree with you on. It doesn't make sense that they are not the same. Last edited by Flaggie; 14 Oct 2002 at 07:51. |
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14 Oct 2002, 08:09 (Ref:403527)
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Re Morris - other rounds they have been ponged during the race and fined - not given a drive through.
Numbers - tell me about it - the NCR's specifically ban 3 digit numbers except for historic log booked cars... Loss of wheel - I would have thought the Kiwi car at QLD Raceway was the more dangerous - didn't he lose it at racing speed on the track??? |
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14 Oct 2002, 08:12 (Ref:403529)
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Re Morris, You sure? Every time I've seen a pinging in race conditions it was a drive thru.....
Loss of wheel, I dont know, I was suggesting. I dont recall the incident. |
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14 Oct 2002, 08:22 (Ref:403536)
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The wheel - I remember it clearly from the Queensland Raceway tape - because I recall laughing (sorry...) that he went out on track and then lost the wheel...
Re Morris - this taken from the August Oran Park round Stewards Report: Quote:
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14 Oct 2002, 08:35 (Ref:403540)
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why are the fines for exceding the pit lane speedlimit all different ie they range from $200 to $400 its the same offence so why the difference
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14 Oct 2002, 08:37 (Ref:403541)
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Loose fuel (safety issue) = time penalty
Loose wheel (safety issue) = fine. Think we all agree a pit lane fire could be nasty, but I wouldn't like to get hit by a flying wheel either. |
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14 Oct 2002, 08:41 (Ref:403545)
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rocket - in theory - depends on the speed recorded.
alfasud - neither would I - a young girl was killed at Winton some years ago by a wheel that came off a car just after turn 1 - it bounced along the track, over the fence and into the crowd killing the girl on impact. |
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14 Oct 2002, 09:11 (Ref:403574)
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Sure it wasn't the warmup for Radisich? I'd been led to believe race penalties all year had been drive thrus... ah well.
And yeah, loose wheels are not pretty, either.... Last edited by Flaggie; 14 Oct 2002 at 09:12. |
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14 Oct 2002, 10:25 (Ref:403626)
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I believe it is $100 per km/h
Radisich OP- set during Sunday warm up- once again, you can't give a drive through. #65 and $4000 fine- he lost two wheels. There, chew on that ... what I want to know is how car 18 was too wide to start with, and how those cars broke the rev limit... that is fairly rare, esp from top teams... |
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14 Oct 2002, 10:45 (Ref:403653)
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Hey Crash, do you have a Shane Beikoff Racing race report yet ?
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14 Oct 2002, 10:53 (Ref:403662)
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Murphy should have copped another penalty for making a pitstop during a penalty.
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14 Oct 2002, 10:55 (Ref:403665)
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are ther any penalties from Sat. konica race ?
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14 Oct 2002, 11:29 (Ref:403685)
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14 Oct 2002, 11:31 (Ref:403686)
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Cams refuse to issue any Stewards hearing results apart from the V8's - they claim they are overworked (biggest load of BS I ever heard when you consider they are all keyed in to a computer by the Stewards inthe first place). Laziness and bias is the reason CAMS won;t issue them. |
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15 Oct 2002, 09:57 (Ref:404616)
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**** Cams have too much time on there hands. The only thing I will say is that that Murphy deserves a life ban from motor sport. Send him back to his sheep farm
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15 Oct 2002, 10:47 (Ref:404671)
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Murph is only in motor sport because he got banned from the sheep farm.
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15 Oct 2002, 11:20 (Ref:404719)
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The Murphy Pentail is a DISGRACE!!. I say drive though and Fine. BUT IF the fuel did cought on fire i would be won't be objecting to a 5 min stop. Pit Lane saftey is a mjor thing and the SBR case in 1999 is a good example boom came down and got away scoot free and with faulkner last year, Scoot free nothing. and Murphy 5 Minutes. F**king Disgrace CAMS!!!
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15 Oct 2002, 11:24 (Ref:404726)
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But they've changed the rules, because it wasn't right that people were knocking over gantrys and getting away with it...
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15 Oct 2002, 11:50 (Ref:404760)
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Crashy's right. The rule is different. You cant make a comparison between what has come before and the Murphy incident.
It should be mentioned that the call over the scanner was MULTIPLE pit lane safety violations. Guys were sprawling in raw fuel, a fuel gantry could have come down, an official missed by a Gnat's fat, a car in the fast lane farts and whooshka.... That 5 minutes was a combination of all of that, and carelessness. |
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15 Oct 2002, 12:54 (Ref:404849)
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Flaggie (got it right this time) - careful...you CANNOT penalise someone for what MIGHT have happened.
The 5 minutes was for the fuel spill and dangerous exit from the pits. |
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15 Oct 2002, 13:00 (Ref:404855)
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Is it right to meatball someone with loose bodywork, because it MIGHT fly off?
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15 Oct 2002, 13:03 (Ref:404857)
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if you have a serious quesiton, ask it...you know exactly what I mean FFS
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