BTCC rounds 13, 14, 15 - Croft

850Estate · 7 Jun 2016, 09:51 (Ref:3647908)

Wahay - it's my almost local circuit. Just the 3 and a half hours to get there, and I absolutely cannot wait.

Traditionally it's a BMW circuit, but the RWD, weightless Subarus should go well too. Here's my predictions.

A BMW will win at least 1 race

962 fan will blame the RWD advantage

It will threaten to rain all day Saturday

Adam Morgan will go well

Gordon Shedden will be the best FWD driver

It will be windy

Dan Cammish will win both PCCGB races

Sam Tordoff will not be leading the Championship heading into the summer break

We will get another first win of 2016 from someone

I will sleep for a long time on Monday

porsche962fan · 7 Jun 2016, 11:29 (Ref:3647921)

moaning started again, Motorbase wants more boost
http://www.touringcartimes.com/2016/...oost-increase/

850Estate · 7 Jun 2016, 11:43 (Ref:3647926)

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Originally Posted by porsche962fan

moaning started again, Motorbase wants more boost
http://www.touringcartimes.com/2016/...oost-increase/

We should have a pre-season 4 team boost moaning bingo game.

Who's complained so far?

Subaru BMR

Motorbase

Sure there's been others.

crmalcolm · 7 Jun 2016, 11:48 (Ref:3647927)

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Originally Posted by porsche962fan

moaning started again, Motorbase wants more boost
http://www.touringcartimes.com/2016/...oost-increase/

Don't all teams attempt to claim as much boost as they can.

Their argument is almost the same as Plato had prior to Oulton Park - 'we have a great chassis, but can't compete on the straight'.

What they are really doing is getting a message to the press that reads positive about the team/car/support, but attempts to provide as many other excuses as possible for a failure to get results.

From any front running team, you will hear how they have the best package, but something outside of their control is holding them back or assisting others.

thlbtcc · 7 Jun 2016, 11:51 (Ref:3647928)

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Originally Posted by crmalcolm

From any front running team, you will hear how they have the best package, but something outside of their control is holding them back or assisting others.

Agreed. As you say, it's mainly a PR game when it comes to boost, FWD/RWD, weight complaints. We live in an age of 32 cars on a grid all looking to please sponsors. The pressure to perform must be intense when businesses are spending chunks of change to get decent exposure.

thlbtcc · 7 Jun 2016, 11:52 (Ref:3647930)

Just a quick comment to anyone sitting on the fence about visiting Croft or not. I visited for the first time last season and few places let you get this to close to such a mix of corner types and fast bits. One of the best tracks to spectate at IMHO.

crmalcolm · 7 Jun 2016, 12:44 (Ref:3647946)

Quote:

Originally Posted by 850Estate

We should have a pre-season 4 team boost moaning bingo game.

Who's complained so far?

Subaru BMR

Motorbase

Sure there's been others.

Subaru appear to be more justified in their claims of speed on the straights though.
At Oulton Park - MPH positions,
Qualy - Turkington 12,14,22 - Plato 10,21,24 - Jordan 5,11,8 - Jackson 27,29,31
R1 - Turkington 30,23,31 - Plato 11,14,26 - Jordan 14,7,12 - Jackson 27,27,18 (48kgs ballast)
R2 - Turkington 32,27,31 - Plato 26,25,27 - Jordan 6,8,7 - Jackson 13,11,8
R3 - Turkington 29, 26,28 - 19,24,27 - Jordan 13,8,12 - 22,14,15

Obviously tyre choices and ballast affect the speeds, but in R2 the Motorbase cars were in the top 10 speeds consistently, with BMRs (and Hondas) being amongst the slowest out there.

porsche962fan · 7 Jun 2016, 12:49 (Ref:3647947)

any comparison between the Dynamics and the Eurotech Hondas ? as they have the TOCA engine

850Estate · 7 Jun 2016, 13:21 (Ref:3647953)

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Originally Posted by porsche962fan

any comparison between the Dynamics and the Eurotech Hondas ? as they have the TOCA engine

It's all here mate if, like me, you enjoy pouring over stats it's a good hour of fun

http://www.tsl-timing.com/file/?f=TO.../162203trg.pdf

crmalcolm · 7 Jun 2016, 13:53 (Ref:3647960)

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Originally Posted by porsche962fan

any comparison between the Dynamics and the Eurotech Hondas ? as they have the TOCA engine

Qualy: Neal - 120.6, 105.0, 110.5 Shedden - 120.9, 105.8, 111.6 Lloyd - 121.3, 107.2, 112.2 Smith - 120.9, 106.1, 112.4 Depper - 120.6, 106.6, 112.0

R1: Neal - 121.1, 105.5, 110.3 Shedden - 120.4, 106.3, 110.7 Lloyd - 121.3, 107.2, 112.4 Smith - 121.1, 106.5, 112.5 Depper - 122.0, 107.0, 111.8

R2: Neal - 121.3, 105.5, 110.5 Shedden - 119.8, 104.6, 110.0 Lloyd - 120.4, 106.3, 111.6 Smith - 121.3, 106.1, 111.6 Depper - 121.1, 106.6, 112.0

R3: Neal - 120.2, 104.8, 110.0 Shedden - 119.8, 105.0, 110.1 Lloyd - 120.4, 105.8, 111.4 Smith - 119.8, 106.1, 112.0 Depper - 121.3, 106.6, 112.2,

Across all 5 cars, of the 12 recorded speeds during qualy and races, it was only the S1 speed set by Neal in R2 that was higher than two of the Eurotech speeds (and he had a drag from Lloyd to do this). On every other occasion, the Eurotech speed was not bettered by either Halfords car.

skells22 · 7 Jun 2016, 18:45 (Ref:3648036)

thank you 850Estate for starting this topic off. these races are 12 days away and therefore on June 19 i be watch this & a certain something else.

850Estate · 14 Jun 2016, 07:36 (Ref:3649574)

Sam Tordoff will have a new livery this weekend...

https://twitter.com/samtordoff/statu...29824560574464

Pink perhaps?

Edit: Forgot to say; interesting to see the Hard compound making its non Thruxton debut this weekend

Bramzel · 15 Jun 2016, 10:36 (Ref:3649844)

Tordoffs new livery:

Black on silver to celebrate 70 years of JCT600.

http://www.touringcartimes.com/2016/...c-points-lead/

crmalcolm · 15 Jun 2016, 11:03 (Ref:3649853)

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Originally Posted by Bramzel

Tordoffs new livery:

Black on silver to celebrate 70 years of JCT600.

http://www.touringcartimes.com/2016/...c-points-lead/

Really like the look of that.

porsche962fan · 15 Jun 2016, 13:33 (Ref:3649887)

what is this obsession with silver ???

Jordan also has a silver one-off livery at MG

crmalcolm · 15 Jun 2016, 14:06 (Ref:3649902)

Quote:

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

what is this obsession with silver ???

Jordan also has a silver one-off livery at MG

Tordoff - Platinum anniversary of business so Platinum coloured car.
Jordan - Chrome livery to celebrate three-year sponsorship deal.

Both colours are based around the sponsorship, and have achieved the aim of getting more publicity.

VIVA GT · 15 Jun 2016, 15:50 (Ref:3649950)

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Originally Posted by porsche962fan

what is this obsession with silver ???

Jordan also has a silver one-off livery at MG

What? He's changed back to his old team? Surely this is bigger news than the colour change?

porsche962fan · 15 Jun 2016, 16:33 (Ref:3649976)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bramzel

Tordoffs new livery:

Black on silver to celebrate 70 years of JCT600.

http://www.touringcartimes.com/2016/...c-points-lead/

same color combination minus the yellow wheels

gratis bilder

redshoes · 15 Jun 2016, 16:39 (Ref:3649978)

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Originally Posted by porsche962fan

same color combination minus the yellow wheels

Jordan's was shiny (chrome)
Tordoff's is a darker matt colour (platinum)

But yes, other than that, and the red roof, and the yellow wheels, they are identical

850Estate · 15 Jun 2016, 18:57 (Ref:3650076)

Tordoff's livery is very smart indeed. I liked Jordan's because of it's chrome effect, but that matte silver might just top it. Classy.

**FIRE** · 15 Jun 2016, 19:16 (Ref:3650080)

Why is the company called JCT600?

tux · 15 Jun 2016, 19:21 (Ref:3650081)

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Originally Posted by FIRE

Why is the company called JCT600?

The JCT600 company name came from the personal number plate of a Mercedes-Benz 600 that Jack Tordoff owned

Have to admit until looking on Wikipedia i wasn't aware that Sam Tordoff came from such a background.

**FIRE** · 15 Jun 2016, 19:27 (Ref:3650084)

Quote:

Originally Posted by tux

The JCT600 company name came from the personal number plate of a Mercedes-Benz 600 that Jack Tordoff owned

Have to admit until looking on Wikipedia i wasn't aware that Sam Tordoff came from such a background.

Big company

850Estate · 16 Jun 2016, 07:43 (Ref:3650384)

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Originally Posted by FIRE

Big company

They are absolutely huge, turnover in excess of £1bn according to their website

http://www.jct600.co.uk/about-us/

crmalcolm · 16 Jun 2016, 08:00 (Ref:3650387)

Quote:

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

what is this obsession with silver ???

Two individual cars in different colours, in different years, could hardly be called an obsession?

Surely the question should be 'what is the obsession with white?' - BMR, WSR, Handy, Motorbase, BKR, 888, Speedworks, Power Maxed.

Or, 'what is the obsession with red?' - AMD, Eurotech.

Or, 'what is the obsession with yellow?' - WIX, Dextra.

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