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Old 6 Mar 2009, 22:06 (Ref:2410634)   #1
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NASCAR Cup - Round 4, Atlanta...

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1 Mark Martin 30.180
2 Kevin Harvick 30.253
3 Brian Vickers 30.259
4 David Stremme 30.323
5 Juan Montoya 30.343
6 Kasey Kahne 30.362
7 Kurt Busch 30.367
8 Carl Edwards 30.381
9 Marcos Ambrose 30.410
10 A.J. Allmendinger 30.438

47 Geoffrey Bodine 31.471

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Old 6 Mar 2009, 22:36 (Ref:2410653)   #2
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Montoya and Ambrose up there, expect joy around these parts

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Ambrose is way down the field after qualifying. JPM is in a good position though. I cant figure out why Logano has struggled so much this year he looked good last year


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2 2 Kurt Busch Dodge Miller Lite
3 26 Jamie McMurray Ford Irwin Industrial Tools
4 42 Juan Montoya Chevrolet Target
5 16 Greg Biffle Ford 3M
6 11 Denny Hamlin Toyota FedEx Ground
7 48 Jimmie Johnson Chevrolet Lowe's / Kobalt Tools
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9 18 Kyle Busch Toyota M&M's
10 29 Kevin Harvick Chevrolet Reese's
11 14 Tony Stewart Chevrolet Office Depot / Old Spice
12 39 Ryan Newman Chevrolet Haas Automation
13 9 Kasey Kahne Dodge Budweiser
14 19 Elliott Sadler Dodge Best Buy
15 31 Jeff Burton Chevrolet Caterpillar
16 24 Jeff Gordon Chevrolet National Guard Youth Challenge / DuPont
17 83 Brian Vickers Toyota Red Bull
18 00 David Reutimann Toyota Aaron's Dream Machine
19 7 Robby Gordon Toyota Jim Beam
20 88 Dale Earnhardt Jr. Chevrolet Amp Energy / National Guard
21 33 Clint Bowyer Chevrolet BB&T
22 28 Travis Kvapil Ford Golden Corral
23 1 Martin Truex Jr. Chevrolet Bass Pro Shops / Tracker
24 55 Michael Waltrip Toyota NAPA
25 07 Casey Mears Chevrolet DirecTV
26 82 Scott Speed* Toyota Red Bull
27 66 Dave Blaney Toyota Prism Motorsports \
28 12 David Stremme Dodge Penske Racing
29 99 Carl Edwards Ford Aflac
30 17 Matt Kenseth Ford Dewalt
31 171 David Gilliland Chevrolet Capital Window
32 43 Reed Sorenson Dodge Super 8
33 98 Paul Menard Ford Pittsburgh Paints / Menards
34 47 Marcos Ambrose Toyota Kingsford / Clorox / Little Debbie
35 21 Bill Elliott Ford Motorcraft
36 77 Sam Hornish Jr. Dodge Mobil 1
37 8 Aric Almirola Chevrolet Cub Cadet
38 44 A.J. Allmendinger Dodge Charter Comm.
39 6 David Ragan Ford UPS
40 96 Bobby Labonte Ford Ask.com
41 34 John Andretti Chevrolet WindowWorld.com
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47 Geoffrey Bodine 31.471
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i think his sled wasn't getting a good enough push start to make the field.

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I cant figure out why Logano has struggled so much this year he looked good last year
only a select few have been very successful in their VERY first CUP races...but YES, he has struggled more than expected.
he'll improve greatly by year's end.

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Old 7 Mar 2009, 07:44 (Ref:2410833)   #6
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Logano said the COT is completely different to anything he has driven before and has changed a lot in its development. He'll get up to speed, just takes time.

Anyway - AJ qualifies, awesome. Shame Mayfield didn't.
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Great qualifying effort by Joe Nemechek....

Got my 50 cent each way bet on Kyle Busch again
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Logano said the COT is completely different to anything he has driven beforeand has changed a lot in its development. He'll get up to speed, just takes time.
all "CUP" cars are different from most cars rookies have ever driven, but the COT still has four tires and a steering wheel.

i do agree with the kid being fast at some point.

after the truck series finish today, i am looking forward to tomorrow's race!
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Old 8 Mar 2009, 08:09 (Ref:2411404)   #10
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all "CUP" cars are different from most cars rookies have ever driven, but the COT still has four tires and a steering wheel.
Having wheels and tyres doesn't mean your skills transfer over, otherwise Mike Hakkinen would dominate DTM and Michael Schumacher could go dirt track racing. But it doesn't work like that.

Logano needs time to adapt to the car. Dario and AJ Allmendinger did too. Dario started to get there, then went back to IRL. AJ is really getting the hang of it too. Logano will get there.
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Tryes are playing a big part in this race.

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Big brother Busch dominates.
Ambrose's crew man screws race up for most people.
Will Montoya ever get the hang of NASCAR,doubt it.
We are now halfway.
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Will Montoya ever get the hang of NASCAR,doubt it.
Qualified top 10, was sitting in the top 20 before a tyre went down under green. Whats wrong with that?
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Ambrose's crew man screws race up for most people.
Quote from Matt Kenseth:
"Maybe he's new. Maybe he's hasn't seen us drive, but we tend to wreck a lot. I wouldn't want to be out in the middle of that grass."

The yellow would have been thrown to retrieve the tyre, not sure why he thought he should run across the pit lanes and out to the grass!!
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Having wheels and tyres doesn't mean your skills transfer over, otherwise Mike Hakkinen would dominate DTM and Michael Schumacher could go dirt track racing. But it doesn't work like that.
sure the skills transfer. he has turned left his entire life in a saloon car.
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Logano needs time to adapt to the car. Dario and AJ Allmendinger did too. Dario started to get there, then went back to IRL. AJ is really getting the hang of it too. Logano will get there.
your missing my point:
Joey is 18...not very many people "jump" in ANY cup car no matter the experience and does well right away, even AJ and Dario, whom had little experience in stockcars. Dario drove for a crap team and AJ a young team. Logano has one of the best organizations and will do fine (see i am agreeing with you).

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It will not be Bristol.Half Mile Track.

As far as Montoya.In my humble opinion will not qualify for Chase and finish between 15/25 in points.Another open wheeler failure.Hope I am wrong as he was the only F1 driver to show any interest in Monaco Historics in 06 when I assume he had other things on his mind.
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What's the problem with Dale Jnr?
I know he has loads of stockcar talent but results don't show this. Is it the CoT he can't get to grips with or did the Theresa/buyout problems affect him more than we thought.
He always seems to fade towards the end and his pitstops are poor - he never makes up ground and you'll never see him pit in 3rd or 4th and leave in 1st or 2nd place. Why? Is it his crew chief and poor decisions?

Re the CoT I think Nascar has shot itself in the foot. Atlanta had very little 20 car drafts except for the first lap or two after a restart. I think back to the days before CoT and the racing was much closer and the spectacle far better. If Nascar is worried about attendances the answer is obvious - the CoT stinks.
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Montoya seemed to really struggle on the restarts - he just went backwards every time the green flag was thrown.

I'm becoming more and more convinced that Dale Jr's problem is crewchief related - either Dale is giving him duff info on what the car is doing, or Eury Jnr is interpreting it wrong. It seems that Dale can run well at the start and finish of a race, but he always goes way off pace in the middle.

"Re the CoT I think Nascar has shot itself in the foot. Atlanta had very little 20 car drafts except for the first lap or two after a restart. I think back to the days before CoT and the racing was much closer and the spectacle far better. If Nascar is worried about attendances the answer is obvious - the CoT stinks."

Agree 100%. I know people will concentrate on Ambrose's wheel and the subsequent yellow as being the main cause of poor racing, but as far as I could see that just meant that you had five or ten cars fighting for the Lucky Dog, as opposed to fighting for 15th, or whatever it was.
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Jr is not that good and been over hyped due to his father.Look at actual Stats.He has good car from best team and he cannot make it.It's going to be a long downward slide but as long as he sells 50% of all NASCAR Tat at least it will be slow.
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