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8 Jan 2011, 15:24 (Ref:2812945) | #1 | |
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Narain Karthykayan
This man is a bit like Sato, some like him and some hate him, but he is certainly a lively character and good to see him back in F1.
People can say he does not deserve to be back in F1, but this guy has won races in F3, in Formula Nissan World Series, any guy who can win multiple races deserves a shot. He didnt do to bad in the Jordan and did on many occasions beat Moneiro. I would say he is more deserving than some of the drivers that are on the grid today such as Petrov who is only at Renault because of his Russian money! |
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Some would say that Karthykayan is only at HRT because of his Indian money.
Also, to say that a driver "is a bit like Sato", isn't really doing them many favours. |
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Given Karthikeyan's performances in the lower formulae, I don't think he is particularly out of place in F1. Although I can't see him ever being a race winner and he owes his place at Hispania due to sponsorship money, this is not an uncommon situation.
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He's an O.K driver until he proves otherwise.
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I do wish people would not use words like 'hated', because it is so over the top.
There are some drivers whom I like very much and others I don't much care for, but that's as far as it goes. Taku and Narain are similar in that their performances are somewhat erratic, but does anyone really dislike either of them that much? I doubt it. If you read the posts on the thread about Narain's appointment they universally praised him as one of the good guys and he is. I would put Taku in the same bracket, but that's just my opinion. |
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Could anyone be a race winner in an HRT?
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I'm not too fussed about it but I think he deserved another shot. Rather see him in F1 than trundling around in the NCTS. Even if he was only bringing money, he's bring that team along, and I don't see the problem in that unless you're one of those incessantly unreasonable tifosi who fall head over heels in love with any of the tripe that comes out of di Montezemolo's mouth.
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I fail to see how Petrov is any less deserving as a multiple GP2 race winner and runner up in the championship...
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at least Narain is better than Yammamoto, though he seemed to have a lot of incidents in SF last year.
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But then, judging by recent form, it would be difficult to see even a team like William's winning anything!
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Whether he 'deserves' to be in F1 is neither here nor there. He's a competent driver who has money. A winning combination for a struggling team like HRT.
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Petrov is Putins idea to have a Russian in F1, where he is good or not, he has serious money behind him. |
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Narain v Tiago comparison, 2005.
19 races in total. Jordan EJ15B Yes Narain did finish ahead of Tiago a number of times. Just not as many times as Tiago finished ahead of Narain. In general terms the results of both Narain and Tiago were pretty close in 2005 when they were Jordan Teamates. However, in the final count up, Tiago had the edge in all categories other than a deficit of 1 in qualifying. Narain.... best finish 4th Tiago 3rd (Both at the USGP 2005.) Monteiro scored points in the USGP and one other, 7 in total for the season. Narain scored 5 in total, all at the USGP. Tiago finished classified in a higher position in results 12 times, against Narain 7. Narain did just outqualify Tiago..... by 10 GP's to 9. Fastest race laps between the two teamates was 11-8 in Tiago's favour. Narain had 3 mechanical DNF's with two crash related DNF's. Monteiro had just one DNF, a transmission failure in Brazil. In races Narain retired with mechanical problems: he retired from the British GP whilst running directly ahead of Monteriro. At Monaco, Monteiro was ahead when Narain retired. At Bahrain Narain retired on lap 1. At Brazil, when Monteiro DNF'd, he was ahead of Tiago at the time. I am not expecting any great contribution from Narain to be honest. He failed to impress me first time round, and the most impressive part of his application is the support packagethat he can offer. He is there because of the money, of thqat there is no doubt, and at almost 35 years of age he is getting a bit long in the tooth to still be trying to break into F1 on a regular basis. I finf it amusing that Narain says he did not accept the HTY offer because he felt they were too new and had to show their performance. I would have thought that the opening impression that HRT left of being generally the poorest performer of the new teams might have said to Narain that they actually proved nothing last year and his justification for their 2010 performance being enough reason to get on board for this year is nothing short of garbage. If i was paying an alleged sun close to $1 million per GP then I would want perhaps something with more potential of actually enhancing my career rather than something perhaps more likely to have a negative effect.. Must not be presumptive though.... I mean Wills just may have discoverd the 2011 equivalent of the Double Diffuser and be super quick out of the box....... but maybe not. Last edited by E.B; 9 Jan 2011 at 16:20. |
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someone I work with summed it up:
F1 teams used to employ paying second drivers to ensure they could afford a better lead driver... HRT employ a paying driver to ensure they can afford bacon butties for the mechanics... |
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This is how they qualified:
Melbourne: P9 19 Narain Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota 1:44.357 P13 18 Tiago Monteiro Jordan-Toyota 1:46.846 Malaysia: P17 19 Narain Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota 1:37.806 P18 18 Tiago Monteiro Jordan-Toyota 1:37.856 Bahrain: P17 19 Narain Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota 1:33.190 P18 18 Tiago Monteiro Jordan-Toyota 1:33.424 San Marino: P17 19 Narain Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota 1:23.123 P18 18 Tiago Monteiro Jordan-Toyota 1:25.100 Spain: P15 19 Narain Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota 1:18.557 P16 18 Tiago Monteiro Jordan-Toyota 1:19.040 Monaco: P15 18 Tiago Monteiro Jordan-Toyota 1:19.408 P16 19 Narain Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota 1:19.474 Europe: P18 18 Tiago Monteiro Jordan-Toyota 1:34.527 4.847 P19 19 Narain Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota 1:34.640 4.960 Canada: P17 19 Narain Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota 1:18.664 P18 18 Tiago Monteiro Jordan-Toyota 1:19.034 USA: P17 18 Tiago Monteiro Jordan-Toyota 1:13.462 P19 19 Narain Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota 1:13.776 France: P17 19 Narain Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota 1:17.857 P19 18 Tiago Monteiro Jordan-Toyota 1:18.047 Great Britain: P17 19 Narain Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota 1:23.583 P20 18 Tiago Monteiro Jordan-Toyota Germany: P18 18 Tiago Monteiro Jordan-Toyota 1:18.599 P20 19 Narain Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota Hungary: P18 19 Narain Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota 1:25.057 P20 18 Tiago Monteiro Jordan-Toyota Turkey: P15 18 Tiago Monteiro Jordan-Toyota 1:30.710 P19 19 Narain Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota Italy: P17 18 Tiago Monteiro Jordan-Toyota 1:24.666 P19 19 Narain Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota 1:25.859 Belgium: P19 18 Tiago Monteiro Jordan-Toyota 1:51.498 P20 19 Narain Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota 1:51.675 Brazil: P13 18 Tiago Monteiro Jordan-Toyota 1:13.387 P17 19 Narain Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota 1:14.520 Japan: P11 19 Narain Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota 1:48.718 P20 18 Tiago Monteiro Jordan-Toyota China: P15 19 Narain Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota 1:36.707 P19 18 Tiago Monteiro Jordan-Toyota 1:39.233 |
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I think he's a good driver, 'a' talent but not 'the talent'. He's a bit eldery and inexperienced with the new cars too. Not a good combo for a successful F1 future.
The only way he'll get higher up the grid is if the wave of Tata money is large enough to carry him. |
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Narain is a decent enough driver to warrant a formula 1 drive..looks like he has done what every driver needs to do..find a source of sponsorship to a: get paid and b: fund a car to race..Racing in the truck series actually helped to raise his profile.. race fans in India and in the USA looked to see who this guy was..He brought alot of interest and was set for more truck racing in 2011..why not support a driver for the upcoming India GP
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I only recall three things that he did during the 05 season. Worst qualifying lap I have ever seen at the German GP (one of the positives of the single-lap quali was that we got to see the lap in full), running wide and jumping into the air at Belgium and crashing in China. Don't recall him doing anything decent.
If he was that good a driver he would not have been in the wilderness for 5 seasons. Clearly this has more to do with money than talent. A shame, but as we will only be seeing the HRT cars when they are lapped, I don't think it is all that important. The driver HRT should be going for, who is available, is Klien. Despite spending next to no time in the car, he always looked faster than Senna did. Someone with proper experience is what they need, not someone who can promote the Indian GP... |
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To be fair, what they need is someone with large amounts of cash, which is what they've now got.
If they're getting enough money from Tata then maybe they can now go for Klien (or Liuzzi, assuming they expected happens and he loses his seat). |
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I would like to see Narain in Hamilton's car and Lewis in a HRT.
And beleive me, I love Lewis. But I find it sad that a F3 pole sitter in Macao never had the chance to race in a car designed by Adrian Newey like some other people did, even though they never were on pole in Macao. |
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