ALMS/LMS cars at Daytona!

GroupC4ever · 3 Jan 2008, 23:08 (Ref:2098926)

I know it would never happen, but wouldn't be nice to see the LMP cars at the 24 hours of Daytona?

Having the 24 hours of Daytona under the IMSA/ALMS umbrella would really bring more noteriety to the ALMS series. Having some of the top LMS teams coming to Daytona would also benefit the event glamour giving it an international flavor.

Just imagine the 908 and teh R10 battling on the bankinks!

The 24 hours of Daytona is still a very interesting event but just imagine what it could be.

I wounder if Penske would decline its participation.

What do you think!

jimclark · 4 Jan 2008, 01:30 (Ref:2098987)

Good question...'specially since he's co-entered already this year with a Pontiac/Riley (#9 http://www.grand-am.com/Events/Entry...sp?EventID=207 )

TheSuicideKing · 4 Jan 2008, 05:44 (Ref:2099053)

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Originally Posted by GroupC4ever

I know it would never happen, but wouldn't be nice to see the LMP cars at the 24 hours of Daytona?

Having the 24 hours of Daytona under the IMSA/ALMS umbrella would really bring more noteriety to the ALMS series. Having some of the top LMS teams coming to Daytona would also benefit the event glamour giving it an international flavor.

Just imagine the 908 and teh R10 battling on the bankinks!

The 24 hours of Daytona is still a very interesting event but just imagine what it could be.

I wounder if Penske would decline its participation.

What do you think!

The ALMS agreement with the ACO precludes them from having their own 24 hour race.

The359 · 4 Jan 2008, 06:50 (Ref:2099074)

The Audi R8 has had some laps around Daytona.

**Adam43** · 4 Jan 2008, 08:57 (Ref:2099119)

It's good to see these cars anywhere, and Daytona is a good place, so yes it would be good. Not sure what else there is to say here!

rdjones · 4 Jan 2008, 09:04 (Ref:2099126)

Both Penske and Dyson ran there RS Spyder's at Rennsport lll in November

Bob Riebe · 4 Jan 2008, 09:15 (Ref:2099133)

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Originally Posted by AdamAshmore

It's good to see these cars anywhere, and Daytona is a good place, so yes it would be good. Not sure what else there is to say here!

Simple really Brian France owns Daytona; Brian France controls GARRA, end of story and chance that ALMS will ever run at Daytona as long as GARRA exists.

ger80 · 4 Jan 2008, 11:28 (Ref:2099205)

At least we will have another 24h race with a banking soon ....
http://www.24hseries.com/

AU N EGL · 4 Jan 2008, 12:58 (Ref:2099250)

Daytona International Speedway is owned by the France Family ( NASCAR)

Grand American Road Race is owned by the France Family, again NASCAR.

THE GARR and LM Cars are vastly different.

Matra-simca · 4 Jan 2008, 13:29 (Ref:2099272)

An "LMP" did win the 24 Hours of Daytona a few years back using Judd's much better sounding 4 liter engine. Martin Short bought the winning car - or was it the sister car - and raced it at Le Mans in 2003 where he was punted off by Sebastin Bourdais that ultimately led to suspension failure, writing off the racer in the process.

Todd

Graham Goodwin · 4 Jan 2008, 13:39 (Ref:2099279)

Martin didn't buy the Daytona winner (or the other US based Dallara) but rather bought a pair of cars direct from Oreca which they had used themselves.

FLGTFAN · 4 Jan 2008, 14:56 (Ref:2099317)

I heard that Doran still has the Daytona winner, IIRC.

Matra-simca · 4 Jan 2008, 15:05 (Ref:2099324)

Thanks Graham, that's what I get for going on memory, a dangerous thing

.... I'd spoke to Kevin Doran a couple of years ago about his Daytona win. He had nothing but kind words for the Dallara and Judd engine, especially how nice it sounded. We were also lamenting how well-lit the Rolex 24 has become during the night which, unfortunately, has robbed a good deal of the race's charm....I'd been going to Daytona virtually every year since 1973, being NA's only 24 Hour race, now I've finally got that GARRA monkey off my back, so I'll be sitting this one out.

Todd

TheSuicideKing · 5 Jan 2008, 00:49 (Ref:2099634)

[quote=Bob Riebe]Brian France controls GARRA/quote]

False.

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Originally Posted by AU N EGL

Grand American Road Race is owned by the France Family,

False.

Most of the France family are investors in the Grand-Am Series; Jim France is a major investor and perhaps has controlling interest. The connection certainly does influence tracks on whether they schedule Grand-Am events. However to say Brian france or the France family control Grand-Am is false. The buck starts and stops with Roger Edmonson. End of story.

Fogelhund · 5 Jan 2008, 03:18 (Ref:2099696)

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Originally Posted by TheSuicideKing

Jim France is a major investor and perhaps has controlling interest.

Quote:

However to say Brian france or the France family control Grand-Am is false.

Which is it?

alwayswatching · 5 Jan 2008, 03:48 (Ref:2099703)

[quote=TheSuicideKing]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Brian France controls GARRA/quote]

False.

False.

Most of the France family are investors in the Grand-Am Series; Jim France is a major investor and perhaps has controlling interest. The connection certainly does influence tracks on whether they schedule Grand-Am events. However to say Brian france or the France family control Grand-Am is false. The buck starts and stops with Roger Edmonson. End of story.

Nascar Sports Cars as I believe the Daytona Prototypes are to be known as now and the whole Grand Am Series, is controlled & run in the same manner as is Nascar...........has always been from it's inception.

If you believe that Nascar is a 100% open, fair & square racing series where the best man on the day wins, and there is absolutely no manipulation by the organizers.........then you'll believe the same about Grand Am.........and no doubt you'll also believe that the WWW of wrestling is real...........that Dick Cheney is an honest man........the check's in the mail, etc, etc.

Zytek_Fan · 5 Jan 2008, 04:19 (Ref:2099713)

Grand-Am would have to die before the thought of ALMS running the 24 Hours of Daytona. It used to be a prestigious sports car racing event, but now it's just crap. I'll admit I'll watch a little bit of Grand-Am Rolex racing, but there isn't much action in the races at all...

TheSuicideKing · 5 Jan 2008, 04:26 (Ref:2099714)

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Originally Posted by Fogelhund

Which is it?

Anything to get your digs in at Grand-Am, right, Brett?

I said Jim France may have controlling interest.

1) Does Jim France represent the entire family? No.

2) Does controlling interest mean he makes every decision regarding the operation of GA? No. Obviously he has input but Edmonson makes the decision.

I didn't know bias affected reading comprehension.

[quote=alwayswatching]

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSuicideKing

Nascar Sports Cars as I believe the Daytona Prototypes are to be known as now and the whole Grand Am Series, is controlled & run in the same manner as is Nascar...........has always been from it's inception.

If you believe that Nascar is a 100% open, fair & square racing series where the best man on the day wins, and there is absolutely no manipulation by the organizers.........then you'll believe the same about Grand Am.........and no doubt you'll also believe that the WWW of wrestling is real...........that Dick Cheney is an honest man........the check's in the mail, etc, etc.

Just because they don't run the race or write the rules, as you think they should, does not mean it's "manipulation" by the series organizers.

Do they write the rules to a certain extent to assert "fair and equal" competition and under some guises, cost containment? Yes. If you think those rules are applied differently to different people, I suggest you re-examine NASCAR. 20 years ago, you'd have an argument but this day in age, it's laughable to assume that based on what you see on TV

Bob Riebe · 5 Jan 2008, 05:01 (Ref:2099722)

[QUOTE=TheSuicideKing]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Brian France controls GARRA/quote]

False.

False.

Most of the France family are investors in the Grand-Am Series; Jim France is a major investor and perhaps has controlling interest. The connection certainly does influence tracks on whether they schedule Grand-Am events. However to say Brian france or the France family control Grand-Am is false. The buck starts and stops with Roger Edmonson. End of story.

Youses is wrongs sir.

If Brian France says jump, everyone else in GARRA says How high and How far.

Well I guess they could take their--EMPTY pocketbook and go run on all those tracks not controlled by the France family.

If Brian France cuts off the Finances GARRA is gone.
Do a little reading on the France motorsports empire. It is not pretty, but very effective in gaining its goals.
Dictators are odd that way.

alwayswatching · 5 Jan 2008, 05:26 (Ref:2099727)

Quote:

Originally Posted by alwayswatching

Just because they don't run the race or write the rules, as you think they should, does not mean it's "manipulation" by the series organizers.

Do they write the rules to a certain extent to assert "fair and equal" competition and under some guises, cost containment? Yes. If you think those rules are applied differently to different people, I suggest you re-examine NASCAR. 20 years ago, you'd have an argument but this day in age, it's laughable to assume that based on what you see on TV

Maybe you might want to ask some of the actual Nascar drivers if they share your opinion..............

The359 · 5 Jan 2008, 05:28 (Ref:2099728)

I can already see this not ending well...

Jonerz · 5 Jan 2008, 14:09 (Ref:2100088)

OOOOOFFFFFFFF TOOOOPPPPPIIIICCCCCC! WOOO!

Perhaps yet another close is in order? Shame, because it would be fun to fantasize about LMP's on the high banks at Daytona. It would be better if we could leave the politics at the gate.

Chris

Bob Riebe · 5 Jan 2008, 15:06 (Ref:2100116)

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Originally Posted by Jonerz

OOOOOFFFFFFFF TOOOOPPPPPIIIICCCCCC! WOOO!

Perhaps yet another close is in order? Shame, because it would be fun to fantasize about LMP's on the high banks at Daytona. It would be better if we could leave the politics at the gate.

Chris

No sir you are off topic.
This thread is based on Daytona,(and an impossible wishing) which is owned by the France family and therefore any items concerning the France family and what can or cannot happen at Daytoan are on topic and logical.

If you do not like the topic, do not read it.

Fogelhund · 5 Jan 2008, 15:21 (Ref:2100125)

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSuicideKing

Anything to get your digs in at Grand-Am, right, Brett?

I said Jim France may have controlling interest.

1) Does Jim France represent the entire family? No.

2) Does controlling interest mean he makes every decision regarding the operation of GA? No. Obviously he has input but Edmonson makes the decision.

I didn't know bias affected reading comprehension.

I made no digs at Grand Am, in any way, shape or form. I asked for clarification of your contradiction.

If Jim France has controlling interest, he has controlling interest, and therefore you've contradicted yourself. Yes, a member of the France family exercises control. That a France member has controlling interest of the Series doesn't imply anything about day to day activities, just as it doesn't for any other business. Sure Roger Edmondson runs things day to day, which is why he is the President, it's his job to do so. (note spelling of Edmondson!!)

It would be interesting to see who now has ownership. I believe Stallings does now, not sure who else??

Mirage M6 · 5 Jan 2008, 16:59 (Ref:2100160)

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

No sir you are off topic.
This thread is based on Daytona,(and an impossible wishing) which is owned by the France family and therefore any items concerning the France family and what can or cannot happen at Daytoan are on topic and logical.

If you do not like the topic, do not read it.

The name of this thread is called ALMS/LMS cars at Daytona!

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