Walkinshaw Performance in court

banksie · 5 Jun 2008, 06:14 (Ref:2220193)

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A win for Walkinshaw, but with more to come it appears.

Just Do It! · 5 Jun 2008, 06:37 (Ref:2220204)

Song by Pink Floyd..... Us and Them?

fomoco · 5 Jun 2008, 07:24 (Ref:2220231)

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Originally Posted by Just Do It!

Song by Pink Floyd..... Us and Them?

You could add Money to this

DJJ · 5 Jun 2008, 08:02 (Ref:2220255)

Who let this scotsman back into the sport.... oh yea HOLDEN

Days... the kinks

peckstar · 5 Jun 2008, 08:10 (Ref:2220264)

did he ever leave?

DJJ · 5 Jun 2008, 08:13 (Ref:2220270)

Sadly no, so much for tega, vesa rules on owning a franchise.

Just Do It! · 5 Jun 2008, 10:15 (Ref:2220337)

There were opportunities to exit TW after the TWR empire collapsed. Sir Tim Bailey was at the forefront of it, despite his cancer, and he was incredibly keen.

Sadly, Ross McKenzie and Holden put an end to anyone's chances, under extreme pressure.

The only winner from this was Belmont .... the D'Alberto's .....everyone else was high and dry

SSbaby · 5 Jun 2008, 10:43 (Ref:2220356)

And why should teams openly have access to these (usually confidential) documents?

Like I say when I'm in the dunny..."Is nothing sacred?"

cavvy · 5 Jun 2008, 11:00 (Ref:2220379)

What is the proposed rule change injuncted this weekend ?

cavvy · 5 Jun 2008, 11:04 (Ref:2220384)

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Originally Posted by Just Do It!

There were opportunities to exit TW after the TWR empire collapsed. Sir Tim Bailey was at the forefront of it, despite his cancer, and he was incredibly keen.

Sadly, Ross McKenzie and Holden put an end to anyone's chances, under extreme pressure.

The only winner from this was Belmont .... the D'Alberto's .....everyone else was high and dry

Can you put some flesh on your allegations JDI ? Allegations unsubstantiated are ...

racer69 · 5 Jun 2008, 11:43 (Ref:2220409)

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Originally Posted by DJJ

Who let this scotsman back into the sport.... oh yea HOLDEN

Mitsubishi did too (in England).

And why wouldn't Holden have let him back in, his 'influence' since coming back hasn't really hurt Holden's fortunes with two back-to-back championship wins.

Pro Racer · 5 Jun 2008, 13:48 (Ref:2220530)

while he was a god send for Holden when he left they went south he comes back and they get motoring again, i'm a Holden man and love seeing Holden go well but i don't like the way the bloke goes about his business.

**GTRMagic** · 5 Jun 2008, 20:13 (Ref:2220775)

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Originally Posted by cavvy

What is the proposed rule change injuncted this weekend ?

Open examination of any engine in any car by any team... allegedly... for some reason WP dont seem to want other people looking inside their powerplants...

Something to hide? Or protecting IP... or indeed the kazillions their customers are paying to get that power under the bonnet?

Allegedly

cavvy · 5 Jun 2008, 22:27 (Ref:2220850)

Surely they didnt select WP alone to start with? Prudent decision making would have Fords biggest engine provider at the same time.

Who would do the inspection?

What process is in place to protect the IP ?

No doubt when the matter returns to court the decision makers will have their day ...

RotorFan · 5 Jun 2008, 23:14 (Ref:2220886)

Great result then. Why should a company have to give up its secrets because others are too lazy to do their own development.

mmciau · 5 Jun 2008, 23:46 (Ref:2220897)

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Originally Posted by RotorFan

Great result then. Why should a company have to give up its secrets because others are too lazy to do their own development.

Wholeheartedly agree.

Industrial advantage is sometimes very hard to come by

Oh I forgot, its part of the V8 'socialism' that has destroyed the racing here.

Mike

Denosaur · 6 Jun 2008, 00:25 (Ref:2220909)

From what I have herd, under the supply agreement you would have with WP is that you aren't allowed to measure, look or doing anything to the motors, other than install and remove them from the car. Everything is handled by WP engine department. I'd say this just protects there supply contracts with the teams.

I also can't get over the fact that "Justice Judd" proceeded over the case. Is it just coincidence that the Justice shares a name with a famous engine manufacture.

mountainstar · 6 Jun 2008, 01:16 (Ref:2220927)

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Originally Posted by RotorFan

Great result then. Why should a company have to give up its secrets because others are too lazy to do their own development.

Fair enough. As long as the engines are legal I don't see the problem with holding their cards close.

davester · 6 Jun 2008, 02:46 (Ref:2220950)

It'd be interesting to know exactly where the interest in taking a peek has come from?
1) A concerned WP customer seeking to verify equality?
2) A competing Holden team?
3) A competing Ford team?
4) VESA Technical team?

I too agree that until common control engines are introduced, a teams IP deserves to be protected. The issue here appears to be that how will WP know that thier IP will not be leaked by the technical inspection crew.

I'm also lead to believe (directly from a very prominent engine builder) that the spirit of the current rules meant that engine builders are able to inspect each others engines. I personally find this not very satisfactory, and that only an independent VESA tech committee should have access.

Maybe what WP are arguing is that inspection by VESA should be limited to regulated components and measurements, and NOTHING ELSE.

Peter Nightingale · 6 Jun 2008, 03:44 (Ref:2220968)

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Originally Posted by mmciau

Wholeheartedly agree.

Industrial advantage is sometimes very hard to come by

Oh I forgot, its part of the V8 'socialism' that has destroyed the racing here.

Mike

Mike this country is now over run with V8 ' socialism ' at it's best, they now dictate & control the sport downunder....

EfiOz · 6 Jun 2008, 04:23 (Ref:2220977)

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racer69 · 6 Jun 2008, 04:24 (Ref:2220978)

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Originally Posted by Pro Racer

i'm a Holden man and love seeing Holden go well but i don't like the way the bloke goes about his business.

What exactly don't you like about the way he does business?

RotorFan · 6 Jun 2008, 04:56 (Ref:2220989)

Yeah I want to know too. Can you explain, pwr fan?

Amaroo Park · 7 Jun 2008, 01:44 (Ref:2221673)

Hate to admit it but on this one I agree with Walkinshaw. Why let others get an advantage out of your hard work.

GreaseMonkey99 · 7 Jun 2008, 04:05 (Ref:2221698)

Last time I checked Walkinshaw does not own a level one franchise, therefore I wonder how he can challenge a Supercar rule change. I could see if Skaife Motorsport or BJR, HSVDT challenged it but WP is only contracted to supply engines to these teams and they (the teams) are obligated to follow the rules laid out by the board.

Regardless the Series needs to get the costs down, and quickly or all stakeholders will suffer.

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