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Old 11 Jul 2011, 03:44 (Ref:2924891)   #1
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2012 BMW M3 DTM car
in case anyone has not seen it yet....a test version of the new BMW DTM car and the new shape for all dtm cars has appeared o nrace car engineering.....
I dont know whether i should just post the photo or direct you to Sam Collins website.

http://www.racecar-engineering.com/n...-dtm-revealed/

My question is...Is this suppose to resemble the current Super GT or the current DTM. Or is it a hybrid? What exaclt yhas been said about this car...

Engine wise as well?
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Old 11 Jul 2011, 06:31 (Ref:2924923)   #2
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It does look mouth-wateringly gorgeous.
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Old 11 Jul 2011, 07:28 (Ref:2924937)   #3
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Reminds me rather a lot of the old Lister Storm...
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Old 11 Jul 2011, 08:35 (Ref:2924963)   #4
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helgi should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridhelgi should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridhelgi should be qualifying in the top 3 on the grid
It has a common carbon monocoque and roll cage. Less aerodynamics, more mechanical grip with wider 280front and 310rear tyres. 4L V8 engine. Hybrids and downsized engines to come in two-three years.
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Old 11 Jul 2011, 10:17 (Ref:2924997)   #5
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I thought the new cars were for next year?
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Old 11 Jul 2011, 10:20 (Ref:2924999)   #6
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Am I supposed to believe that's a touring car?!
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Old 11 Jul 2011, 12:24 (Ref:2925048)   #7
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medius should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridmedius should be qualifying in the top 5 on the grid
Its no less a touring car than the current DTM cars, which look hideous in my opinion.
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Old 11 Jul 2011, 12:29 (Ref:2925055)   #8
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helgi should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridhelgi should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridhelgi should be qualifying in the top 3 on the grid
This car is built in accordance with new 2012 tech specs.

And what is that 'touring car' now?Who can tell? Prototype engine - NGTC or RML, Lehmann. Special suspension with different from serial joint points, arms and geometry - WTCC. What is that 'touring'? All that is as 'touring' as DTM is, where they have serial steel roof and serial pillars.
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Old 11 Jul 2011, 13:11 (Ref:2925066)   #9
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How much do these things cost compared to a S2000 BMW for instance?
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Old 11 Jul 2011, 13:38 (Ref:2925072)   #10
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Nobody knows how much a current DTM car would cost. But I remember Dr. Ulrich saying that the Seat WTCC program wasn't that much cheaper than the Audi DTM program.
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Old 11 Jul 2011, 13:45 (Ref:2925074)   #11
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As long as a program can be run for less than a prototurtle, it'll be a hit in at leAst one place.
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Old 11 Jul 2011, 13:49 (Ref:2925075)   #12
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Its no less a touring car than the current DTM cars, which look hideous in my opinion.
Nooooo! The current cars look superb (although they could lose the little winglets without anyone crying). They also sound sooooo much better than the S2000 cars. Also flame spitting cars are good and should be encouraged
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Old 11 Jul 2011, 15:24 (Ref:2925113)   #13
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Current cars cost up to 800.000 euro - almost as expensive as GT500 cars. This can explain why drivers have to avoid contacts.

New regulations (common monocoque) will help to halve that sum. It should cost about 450.000 euro. Somewhere near current GT2.
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Old 12 Jul 2011, 13:56 (Ref:2925580)   #14
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Coupé = GT

Not far from a Grand-Am Rolex GT Prep 2.
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Not far from a Grand-Am Rolex GT Prep 2.
Very far, actually... GA Prep 2 is only stell tubeframe, whereas the new DTM-cars are based on a fullwidth carbonfibre tub (think whirlpool rather than bathtub) onto which the stell tube frame is grafted...

And of course Rolex GT only allows relatively minor bodywork modicifactions, whereas that new BMW has a veritable widebody kit....
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Old 12 Jul 2011, 20:24 (Ref:2925763)   #16
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IMO rules like prep2 would be better.
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IMO real cars would be best. Something like Superstar V8...
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Old 13 Jul 2011, 12:05 (Ref:2925982)   #18
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IMO real cars would be best. Something like Superstar V8...
Of course (IMO: NGTC chassis RWD only with a V8 engine)
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Old 14 Jul 2011, 11:10 (Ref:2926473)   #19
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In the latest auto motor und sport issue there is a small info about the BMW rollout in Oschersleben including a new picture (different angle). At least it's new for me. I could scan the article and post it but I don't know if this is allowed here.
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NGTC chassis RWD only with a V8 engine
What the difference between DTM-2012 cars and NGTC V8 RWD with monocoque (for safety reason)? Plastik bodyshell?
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Old 14 Jul 2011, 12:53 (Ref:2926545)   #22
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Who was on driving duties for BMW?
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http://www.racecar-engineering.com/n...-dtm-revealed/

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Coupé = GT

Not far from a Grand-Am Rolex GT Prep 2.
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Very far, actually... GA Prep 2 is only stell tubeframe, whereas the new DTM-cars are based on a fullwidth carbonfibre tub (think whirlpool rather than bathtub) onto which the stell tube frame is grafted...

And of course Rolex GT only allows relatively minor bodywork modicifactions, whereas that new BMW has a veritable widebody kit....
Yeah, I know that Grand-Am cars have 19th century technology. I meant that both are silhouettes with coupé bodies, and that the new DTM cars won't be touring cars at all.
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What the difference between DTM-2012 cars and NGTC V8 RWD with monocoque (for safety reason)? Plastik bodyshell?
Thanks to the road car shell for me NGTC cars are still real touring cars
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