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I agree with the ESM "team" restrictor break . | 8 | 30.77% | |
I disagree with the ESM "team" restrictor break . | 18 | 69.23% | |
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24 Oct 2012, 15:26 (Ref:3157062) | #1 | ||
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ESM Ferrari 458 restrictor team BoP vote .
Im interested in finding out what you people honestly think about ESM getting a "TEAM" waiver for their restrictor .
I feel Ferrari should get this across the board in ALMS , and not because a team is having a difficult year . |
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24 Oct 2012, 15:40 (Ref:3157067) | #2 | |
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There is only one team with a Ferrari 458 in ALMS. So this whole topic is completely hypothetical.
I don't not understand why you want to start yet another heated discussion about BoP in GT racing. Furthermore, this IMSA decision dates from 29 June 2012. That is almost 4 months ago. Why bring it up only now? Finally, you are missing a third option: I don't give a *** Last edited by gwyllion; 24 Oct 2012 at 15:45. |
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24 Oct 2012, 15:49 (Ref:3157071) | #3 | ||
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Its right or wrong , end of .
Its not about BoP in general , its about a BoP for a team , and there is no heated discussion , as its a vote . Once you start handing out waivers for specific , teams , that could get very unstable if others want the same advantage , then there will be troubles !!! |
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24 Oct 2012, 15:52 (Ref:3157072) | #4 | |
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If there were two Ferrari teams in ALMS and only one of them got a BoP break, then you would have a completely different situation. However, that is not the case because there is only one team.
In fact the BoP breaks for Aston Martin, Corvette, Viper, Lotus, and BMW are effectively for one team only as well. Anyway, I chose not to vote... |
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24 Oct 2012, 16:02 (Ref:3157075) | #5 | ||
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24 Oct 2012, 16:37 (Ref:3157087) | #6 | ||
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It's actually quite a legitimate question to be asking....what if the ELMS GTE-Pro F458 went to PLM? Same class, same car, different restrictor....
Yes they've effectively dodged a bullet with no other Ferraris in ALMS but it's still a joke and just says ESM aren't good enough. |
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24 Oct 2012, 18:07 (Ref:3157113) | #7 | ||
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Every car racing in alms gt has some type of break. Some have weight, others restrictor, others wing adjustments, and some get fuel flow help. I think it is too a point where if everyone has some type of break and this is now perceived as a level playing field, why not take away some of the adjustments from every car/team. There is still room for parity and things would be more aligned with the rules.
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24 Oct 2012, 18:26 (Ref:3157119) | #9 | |||
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Sure we'd get one year where one mauf dominates, but next season would give back awesome racing.. The first year dominance could be avoided by simply starting the Ferrari on 50kg or 100kg ballast at the start, the rest of the field is preaty much equal why the BoPs are removed... |
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24 Oct 2012, 18:29 (Ref:3157120) | #10 | |||
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Quite possibily , and we dont know , AF Corse sent an AM car to PLM , but possibily didnt send a Pro car , cuz they were not eligable for a waiver . Let Ferrari have that waiver , no worries with that , but not just specific teams . I just feel thats wrong and opening the door to less well run outfits to parry for the same break . Where would that leave us ? |
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24 Oct 2012, 18:38 (Ref:3157122) | #11 | ||
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the point is that if ferrari was given the BoP the other ALMS teams would have had a **** fit....
I really don't see the problem with this, both ACO/FIA and the IMSA have been micromanaging BoP on a race to race bassis for the past 2-3 years. It came to this ridiculs point long before. I really don't understand why this is such a prolem for some to swalow. It's dead simple BOP is designed to level the competition, and that's what this has done... ESM being the only F team, and being ****ty were given a waiver to level the playing field of their ****ty drivers. And this has worked out briliantly, as I haven't seen WSM run away with the season. If anything else the Vettes did,,, |
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24 Oct 2012, 20:23 (Ref:3157170) | #12 | ||
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if you take out the restrictor Break of ESM Ferrari 458, you must take out the BoP breaks for Aston Martin, Corvette, Viper, Lotus, and BMW
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24 Oct 2012, 20:35 (Ref:3157180) | #13 | ||
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24 Oct 2012, 20:40 (Ref:3157183) | #14 | ||
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Tell ya what , its like talking to a brick wall around here sometimes !!!
Fine ..... let ESM have their break , cuz they cant run the car properly without one , the poor little people . Good team ESM ............. Im off . |
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24 Oct 2012, 20:48 (Ref:3157189) | #15 | |||
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BTW I suspect that the small restrictor break is related to the fact that Ferrari went from 2 small restrictors to 1 big restrictor. Quote:
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24 Oct 2012, 21:18 (Ref:3157204) | #16 | ||
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wonder if it's the only 458 running on 1 restrictor
maybe it could help AFCorse to gain some fuel mileage after the fuel tank reduction |
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24 Oct 2012, 21:22 (Ref:3157206) | #17 | ||
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Does anyone have trap speed times? Because I think IMSA have it spot on. I don't think Corvette or BMW had the top end of Ferrari, but Ferrari don't have the torque of the other two. I'm honestly not sure where Porsche would have fit in, but they have a new car on the way.
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24 Oct 2012, 21:48 (Ref:3157221) | #18 | |||
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In the regs there are two tables one for twin restrictors one for singles...ferrari in 2011 used the twin, and moved to sinle in 2012... in this article of racecar-engeneer http://www.racecar-engineering.com/b...-hours-report/ moved to a single air restrictor, which reduced the amount of turbulence *donno if this refers to outside air turbulance, or engine air turbulance |
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Playing devil's advocate here: Who is the team sponsor of ESM? Who is the ALMS presenting sponsor? Who got team specific waivers? |
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24 Oct 2012, 22:13 (Ref:3157236) | #20 | |
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I thought Ferrari was the best GTE? More than a few here have said it. So why does it need a performance break when in WEC it's getting the opposite? Obviously their drivers or the team in general isn't quite as good with the 458 as the teams in WEC. So I think it's unfair. BOP in general is pretty weird to begin with, but when you have the car of the field I don't think you need breaks.
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I don't think ESM has the GT experience AF corse has, or even what JMW have, but the team is composed of a bunch of all-star talent from IndyCar, prototypes and GT. Also, if Risi Competizione were to reappear in America I wonder if ESM would have equal equipment... (Just speculation there.) Chris |
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