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13 Aug 2012, 19:55 (Ref:3119483) | #1 | ||
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What are your favorite tracks? (or what makes a good track?)
My Top 20 Favourite circuits right now:
1. Nordschleife 2. Mosport 3. Road America 4. Watkins Glen 5. Bathurst 6. Spa Franchorchamps 7. Circuit de La Sarthe 8. Portero de los Funes 9. Suzuka 10. Darlington Raceway (not a circuit, but still awesome) 11. Road Atlanta 12. Sebring International Raceway 13. Interlagos 14. Brands Hatch GP 15. Monza 16. VIR 17. Zonda 18. Lime Rock 19. Monaco 20. Laguna Seca 10-20 years ago a lot more European circuits would have been on that list. |
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I was watching a race with Porsche Boxters (and a couple of old 944s) on YouTube a few weeks ago on an interesting circuit, but I can't for the life of me remember it's name. Was really thin and wound through trees and had interesting elevation changes, very pleasant to look at, would love to drive it one day. It should be on this list, but here are the tracks I can remember the names of! 1. Watkins Glen Short (mainly because I have a fascination with the speed of the place. I think if an LMP car ran there it would be the fastest track in North America in terms of average lap speed.) 2. Road Atlanta 3. Mosport 4. Road America 5. Nordschleife 6. Circuit de la Sarthe 7. Watkins Glen + Boot 8. Brands Hatch (the long version) 9. VIR (another personal fascination, particularly with LMP pace through the esses) 10. Spa 11. Suzuka Circuit 12. Monza 13. Donnington 14. Phillip Island 15. Laguna Seca 16. Bathurst 17. Mid-Ohio 18. Lime Rock 19. Oulton Park (honorable mention to Castle Comb and Cadwell Park) 20. The roval at Daytona (another speed fascination) =20. Pukekohe Chris |
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As for Interlagos, on sims the run from Mergulho (Turn 11) on the previous lap to Turn 8 on the next is one of the best in motorsports. Also the Senna-S seperates the men from the boys when it comes to overtaking. |
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13 Aug 2012, 20:42 (Ref:3119496) | #4 | |
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Mine in no particular order
Mont Tremblant Mosport Road Atlanta Road America Sebring Laguna Seca Long Beach Barber Portland Lime Rock Virginia Nurburgring Nordschleife Circuit de la Sarthe Brands Hatch GP Portrero de los Funes Adelaide Albert Park Bathurst Okayama/Aida * Guia * Dunno why but I always really really liked Okayama for some strange reason Spa used to be up there somewhere but gone now for reasons mentioned before. Anyway, back to the topic, the start time of this race in question has been brought forward by just 30 minutes so we'll still see some sunset-ish running on track. VIR race seems to have the same timeslot (2:30-6:30 PM). |
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13 Aug 2012, 20:44 (Ref:3119498) | #5 | ||
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Yep, I much prefer the short course at the Glen.
One of my all time favorite tracks is Balcarce in Argentina. |
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13 Aug 2012, 21:21 (Ref:3119525) | #6 | ||
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I'll bite on my top 20 or so tracks. I don't have an absolutely precise order sorted out in my head for these.
1. Nurburgring Nordschleife 2. Mosport Park 3. Road America 4. Mont Tremblant 5. Watkins Glen 6. Curcuit de la Sarthe 7. Spa-Francorchamps 8. Bathurst 9. Potrero de los Funes 10. Suzuka 11. Brands Hatch GP 12. Virginia Int'l Raceway 13. Monza 14. Road Atlanta 15. Mugello 16. Seattle Int'l Raceway 17. Laguna Seca 18. Philip island 19. Interlagos 20. Sebring Int'l Raceway 21. Lime Rock Park 22. Dijon-Prenois 23. Sachsenring 24. Algarve 25. Autopolis Okay, I just went to 25 and didn't worry about it. There are also a few toss-ups that could be on the list depending on how I'm feeling at the time: Donington Park, Oulton Park, Pukekohe, and Sears Point chief among them. I find it difficult to class street circuits with road courses, because the criteria, necessarily, are so different. As to those who try to cut down all street circuits, I think there are good and bad, both in street circuits and in permanent road courses. Sao Paolo is quite a good circuit (Indy Cars just aren't going to be running at Interlagos, because of Bernie, simple as). San Jose (once they fixed the 2005 issues) was quite good in 2006-07. The 2007 Champ Car street circuit in Las Vegas was a very good temporary course as well. Now, for different layouts of the same circuit, I prefer the long course at Watkins Glen, but I still find the short course quite exciting and enjoyable. I don't particularly care for the Dunlop Esse at Le Mans, but I would be happier if they reinstated the old Dunlop Curve for the cars, and have only the bikes use the chicane. EDIT: Sorry for re-derailing things. It takes time to write all that up, so I missed about five posts there. |
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but a tilkedrome that's interesting.
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14 Aug 2012, 06:09 (Ref:3119640) | #10 | |
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Character? It's a new track! How is it supposed to have 'character' when it's not even finished? There's been no races there either, a track has to build up character and reputation, it doesn't just have it. That said I think it's a nice layout with plenty of twists. Road America is an awesome track, one of the best in N.A. IMO. The speeds there and the kink are amazing.
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14 Aug 2012, 07:54 (Ref:3119676) | #12 | |
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lol, because it's by some trees or water? Please, guy- there's much more to a track's character than scenery or location. Abu Dhabi has character I assume, it is afterall by a Marina, and so is Valencia street circuit! Such character huh? Just because you don't like a track doesn't mean it has no character. Like I said before, the Austin circuit isn't even done yet, so no one knows how it'll look in a couple years when it's completely 'filled in'.
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And you cant deny that scenery in character . This is why I find Silverstone boring , and places like Spa and Le Mans refreshing . |
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14 Aug 2012, 09:42 (Ref:3119724) | #14 | ||
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I find more of a track's character comes from the racing it produces and it's layout. Scenery isn't part of the track so it doesn't matter to me, things like Eau Rouge, The Corkscrew, the Kink and RA, those fast downhill S bends at Road Atlanta, etc are what adds the character.
Trees and the birds that live in them? Couldn't care less. |
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14 Aug 2012, 09:45 (Ref:3119727) | #15 | ||
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Im not disputing what you like or dont like . Im saying character isnt just on the track .
How would Le Mans look surrounded by desert ..... its part of character for me , and thats good enough . |
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14 Aug 2012, 13:06 (Ref:3119798) | #16 | ||
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What is your favorite track? (or what makes a good track?)
I have started this thread to hold all of the track discussion that broke out off topic in another thread. Now we can all add our thoughts without feeling bad about straying from the topic!
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14 Aug 2012, 14:28 (Ref:3119822) | #18 | ||
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My 20 In no particular order;
Brands Hatch GP Nordschlife Linas-Monthelry (Roval course) Laguna Seca Circuit De La Sarthe Brands Hatch Indy Silverstone Bathurst Phillip Island Spa Monza Road America Sebring Cadwell Park Montreal Interlagos Old Hockenheim Suzuka Anderstorp Castle Combe. |
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14 Aug 2012, 15:01 (Ref:3119829) | #19 | |
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1. Spa old/road circuit
2. Le Mans La Sarthe 3. Nurburgring Nordschleife 4. Monza 5. Osterreichring 6. Watkins Glen 7. Sebring 8. Suzuka 9. Spa new/actual circuit 10. Brands Hatch GP circuit 11. Road America 12. Mugello 13. Daytona Road Course 14. Imola Basically anywhere with 'character', i.e it is different, contains some high speed corners, doesn't have huge tarmac run off areas, some sort of elevation changes maybe, some scenery perhaps, and history. You know the type of place. The kind of place Formula 1 races were held at up until the 1990's, or the World Sportscar Championship un until the mid 80's. The type of place that gives you a chance to see a car work, and a driver earn his corn. And maybe even a place where fans actually go to watch too. I would pay anything, absolutely anything (though I don't have much) to see footage of Ickx and Pescarolo's laps at Spa in 1973! Anywhere designed by Hermann Tilke in a some sort of arid, oil rich, up and coming economy couldn't interest me any less. He should be imprisoned for what he did to Hockenheim. And I'm not keen on what has happened at Spa in the last 10 years either, otherwise it might be top. Though I don't think Herr Tilke had anything to do with that. I don't know much about courses in the US I'm afraid, even less Australia, but what I have seen of Watkins Glen and Road America I like. Especially Watkins Glen, such a shame it is in NASCAR's hands. That’s like McDonald's taking over a 3 star restaurant. |
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1. Circuit de la Sarthe
2. Potrero de los Funes 3. Montreal 4. Interlagos 5. Surfers Paradise 6. Laguna Sega 7. Fuji 8. Mont Tremblant 9. Road America 10. Paul Ricard 11. Algarve 12. Nurburgring/Nordschleife 13. Mugello 14. Watkins Glen 15. Suzuka 16. Macau 17. Monaco 18. Signapore 19. Spa Franchorchamps 20. Monza |
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Yep, it's a shame they get an 80-90k raceday crowd for their top race instead of 20-60k and actual facility updates.
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14 Aug 2012, 16:07 (Ref:3119848) | #24 | ||
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Only speaking from the ones I've driven, my top 5 would be:
1. Spa 2. Watkins Glen (long course) 3. Sonoma / Infineon / Sears Point 4. Laguna Seca 5. Daytona Roval (Entering T1 at 190mph makes it one of the most difficult corners to get rite, and one of the most awesome) Hopefully next year I'll have driven more outside of the US and can refresh my list. :-) -mike |
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I'm going to go for alphabetical order, and current tracks only:
Brands Hatch GP Dundrod Elkhart Lake Isle of Man TT Istanbul Laguna Seca La Sarthe Monaco Montréal Monza Mosport Park Nürburgring Nordschleife Paul Ricard Road Atlanta Sears Point Silverstone Spa-Francorchamps Suzuka Watkins Glen long Zandvoort |
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