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Old 9 Aug 2019, 01:42 (Ref:3922009)   #1
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Are they back? Based on the last four or so racing - yes they are!

The driver is there now. The car does the business and the engine has improved enough to not stop this. Do they need anymore? What do they need?

Soon Max will be destroying all in from him and no longer will F1 be boring because of Mercedes dominance, it will be boring because of Red Bull dominance.

Or will it?

We have a thread for all the teams except Red Bull, so I thought I'd complete the set. There is a Honda thread which has dealt with Red Bull, but also more generally.
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Old 9 Aug 2019, 02:11 (Ref:3922013)   #2
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I hope they are half front

While it is true that the Honda propulsion unit in the back is doing a great job pushing the car towards success at the end of grand prix, it may not be Red Bull being back as being the only reason for the success.

The front and parts of the back drawn by that English fellow with the 2B pencil and set square may have contributed to this seemingly overlooked front as well.
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Old 9 Aug 2019, 07:49 (Ref:3922039)   #3
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Well they certainly seem more organised than Ferrari. And that means they've made the most of their opportunities presented to themselves. This is just what F1 needs at this time
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Old 9 Aug 2019, 08:14 (Ref:3922043)   #4
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Old 9 Aug 2019, 11:27 (Ref:3922065)   #5
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I have a friend who works at RedBull and he’s saying Albon is there right now having a seat fitting.

2001/1 on William hill to win at Spa. Worth a fiver
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Old 9 Aug 2019, 11:56 (Ref:3922067)   #6
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Certainly I think the guy with pencil is the difference between Red Bull and the rest and agree a win at Spa, Max's home race, would be worth a punt so long as all the orange we will see does not dazzle him

Looking forward to that one
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Old 9 Aug 2019, 13:33 (Ref:3922079)   #7
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... Spa, Max's home race ...
It's not his home race. It's quite close to him, but not his home race. Max is Dutch, Spa is Belgian.
Next year - if Zandvoort goes ahead - he will have a home race.
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Old 9 Aug 2019, 13:51 (Ref:3922081)   #8
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Actually he’s Belgian on his mother’s side, so it can be classed as his home race
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Old 9 Aug 2019, 14:08 (Ref:3922085)   #9
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Actually he’s Belgian on his mother’s side, so it can be classed as his home race
Yes - he's dual-nationality and was born in Belgium too, so in 2019 it's definitely his home race.
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Old 9 Aug 2019, 15:15 (Ref:3922090)   #10
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He has a Belgian mother, but he is Dutch.
He doesn't identify as Belgian, and apart from his mother there is nothing Belgian about Max himself.

You could as well call Lance Stroll Belgian since he has a Belgian mother too.
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No matter what the actual facts of his lineage are there will be so many Dutch fans at Spa it will seem like his home race
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I have a friend who works at RedBull and he’s saying Albon is there right now having a seat fitting.

2001/1 on William hill to win at Spa. Worth a fiver
I thought F1 was on shut down? No work, no emails,nothing?
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Old 9 Aug 2019, 16:51 (Ref:3922106)   #14
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That settles that then. He’s dutch only in his racing licence then
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As said Spa will be very orange and the majority of the fans there will be strongly supporting the red bull team and max
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That settles that then. He’s dutch only in his racing licence then
No, that's the old situation.
There is nothing Belgian left now (apart from things in his past)

While he was born in Belgium, went to school early on in Belgium, and had the Dutch and Belgian nationality as a kid, he had the opportunity (or was obliged?) to chose either Dutch or Belgian nationality when he turned 18.
As predicted by his parents, he chose the Dutch nationility since he felt more Dutch than Belgian, and "Belgium was only a place to sleep" at that time.

There was an item on the Belgian TV about Max last year and one of the things was about his nationality. One of the other things that he mentioned was that all people who surrounded him (management) where Dutch or international, none were Belgian.
Added to his own feelings about being Dutch or Belgian, that made the choice rather easy.


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https://www.rtlnieuws.nl/opmerkelijk...en-nederlander
https://www.demorgen.be/nieuws/max-v...belg~bb07b664/

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https://www.gpfans.com/nl/artikelen/...he-vlag-rijdt/
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Max Verstappen identifies as, and races under the nationality of, Dutch. That is not in dispute.

The query arose over whether Spa is his (current) home GP.
It was suggested that, for a person who is half Belgian and was born in Belgium, and races under the Dutch flag, if Spa is not his home race then where is?
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Max Verstappen identifies as, and races under the nationality of, Dutch. That is not in dispute.

The query arose over whether Spa is his (current) home GP.
It was suggested that, for a person who is half Belgian and was born in Belgium, and races under the Dutch flag, if Spa is not his home race then where is?
I don't think he is half Belgian anymore since he no longer has the Belgian nationality, but OK that's up for debate.

If we consider him pure Dutch like he does himself (now), then currently he has no home GP, just like Raikkonen, Bottas, Magnussen and Kubica.

Sure, the Belgian GP is close(st) to his home, and may be the closest to a home GP he can get in 2019.
I'm quite sure though that he will call Zandvoort his home GP in 2020, and not Spa.
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Really?

Then probably we have a different understanding of what home GP means?
For me that would be the GP in the driver's nation, so:

British GP for Hamilton, Norris and Russell
French GP for Grosjean and Gasly
German GP for Vettel and Hülkenberg
Australian GP for Ricciardo
Monaco GP for Leclerc
Russian GP for Kvyat
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Canadian GP for Stroll
Italian GP for Giovinazzi
Spanish GP for Sainz

None for Verstappen, Bottas, Raikkonen, Albon, Kubica and Magnussen
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