Home  
Site Partners: SpotterGuides Veloce Books  
Related Sites: Your Link Here  

Go Back   TenTenths Motorsport Forum > Single Seater Racing > Formula One

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 28 Oct 2003, 19:53 (Ref:766116)   #1
Inigo Montoya
Ten-Tenths Hall of Fame
Veteran
 
Inigo Montoya's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Canada
Toronto, Canada
Posts: 5,181
Inigo Montoya has a real shot at the championship!Inigo Montoya has a real shot at the championship!Inigo Montoya has a real shot at the championship!Inigo Montoya has a real shot at the championship!Inigo Montoya has a real shot at the championship!Inigo Montoya has a real shot at the championship!
Jordan: We will stuff Sauber

http://www.tsn.ca/auto_racing/formul...y.asp?ID=58532

Eddie claims that Fisi will regret his choice to leave Jordan and that " I would expect that next season we will be stuffing Sauber "

We'll see
Inigo Montoya is offline  
__________________
"And the most important thing is that we, the Vettels, the Bernies, whoever, should not destroy our own sport by making stupid comments about the ******* noise." - Niki Lauda
Quote
Old 28 Oct 2003, 20:03 (Ref:766123)   #2
Super Tourer
Subscriber
Veteran
 
Super Tourer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2000
United Kingdom
East Anglia
Posts: 4,304
Super Tourer should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridSuper Tourer should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridSuper Tourer should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridSuper Tourer should be qualifying in the top 3 on the grid
Indeed...you've had thought after this seasons events that EJ would have learnt the wisdom of making rash predictions, and in some cases saying much at all.....
Super Tourer is offline  
__________________
'I've seen it, but still don't believe it.....'
Quote
Old 28 Oct 2003, 20:09 (Ref:766129)   #3
beau
Racer
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location:
Wales
Posts: 392
beau should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
woooooooo strong words from the Jordan man
beau is offline  
__________________
My pen would not write on the screen
Quote
Old 28 Oct 2003, 20:27 (Ref:766141)   #4
Redblurr
Veteran
 
Redblurr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
United Kingdom
Posts: 1,254
Redblurr should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
yes Eddie, start by buying a reliable engine
Redblurr is offline  
__________________
"I never give up I am Michael Schumacher."
Quote
Old 28 Oct 2003, 20:46 (Ref:766159)   #5
CleanTone
Racer
 
CleanTone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Romania
Colentina
Posts: 403
CleanTone should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Well Fisi always left a team and suddenly it went on an upward curve so EJ might just be right
CleanTone is offline  
Quote
Old 28 Oct 2003, 21:21 (Ref:766181)   #6
jetsetter
Veteran
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Australia
Ipswich Qld Australia
Posts: 2,508
jetsetter should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
I think Eddie should just go about his work quietly & not bring unneeded pressure upon the team with his bold predictions.
jetsetter is offline  
Quote
Old 28 Oct 2003, 21:53 (Ref:766209)   #7
Sodemo
Veteran
 
Sodemo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
United Kingdom
Solihull, West Mids, UK
Posts: 11,312
Sodemo has a real shot at the championship!Sodemo has a real shot at the championship!Sodemo has a real shot at the championship!Sodemo has a real shot at the championship!Sodemo has a real shot at the championship!
No, what he needs is a big warm bubbly bath.
Sodemo is offline  
Quote
Old 28 Oct 2003, 22:12 (Ref:766227)   #8
Adam43
14th
1% Club
 
Adam43's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
European Union
New Orleans
Posts: 44,194
Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!
A bit of entertaining fighting talk. Excellent.

However I would expect Sauber to still be ahead next year. There is a lot of promise (not least is Fisi himself!) at Sauber.

I suppose all the 'works' teams may get it together more and Sauber will be 8th and Jordan 9th. Jordan may scab a lucky position more than Sauber and get then the place in the championship, but stuff them? Nah.
Adam43 is offline  
__________________
Brum brum
Quote
Old 29 Oct 2003, 03:53 (Ref:766458)   #9
Teretonga
Veteran
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location:
New Zealand
Posts: 4,544
Teretonga will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameTeretonga will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameTeretonga will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameTeretonga will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameTeretonga will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameTeretonga will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameTeretonga will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameTeretonga will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Fame
Don't be so sure. A few years ago he was stuffing Sauber quite regularly. He could do it again next year as long as he has the technical staff, the drivers, the sponsors and an engine as good or better than Saubers....yeah it's possible, but unlikely.
Teretonga is offline  
Quote
Old 29 Oct 2003, 06:01 (Ref:766516)   #10
Mark Webber
Registered User
Veteran
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Australia
Australia
Posts: 2,685
Mark Webber has a lot of promise if they can keep it on the circuit!
can not see it but remember Firman was faster than Fissi . What am I thinking its Jordan
Mark Webber is offline  
Quote
Old 29 Oct 2003, 07:05 (Ref:766552)   #11
Snrub
Veteran
 
Snrub's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Canada
London, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 4,744
Snrub should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridSnrub should be qualifying in the top 5 on the grid
He's not in the financial shape that he was in a few years back. With no substantial sponsor, no money to develop the car, a old and expensive Ford engine, it is unlikely that he can do much next year.
Snrub is offline  
__________________
No Rotor, No Motor.
Quote
Old 29 Oct 2003, 07:40 (Ref:766577)   #12
Redlake27
Racer
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location:
Birmingham
Posts: 495
Redlake27 should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
If you were a CEO would you commit megabucks to a team who has the ambition of stuffing Sauber? Hardly the sort of ambition that will get the tabloids in a frenzy!
Redlake27 is offline  
Quote
Old 29 Oct 2003, 09:04 (Ref:766642)   #13
steve_r
Veteran
 
steve_r's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Lord Howe Island
European Capital of Culture 2008
Posts: 3,664
steve_r is going for a new world record!steve_r is going for a new world record!steve_r is going for a new world record!steve_r is going for a new world record!steve_r is going for a new world record!steve_r is going for a new world record!steve_r is going for a new world record!
How can a car with no engine beat a car with a Ferrari Unit in the back?
Seriously, I like the Jordan team and hope they get some decent engines, and get themselves back up towards the front of the grid.
steve_r is offline  
__________________
It's just my opinion.
Quote
Old 29 Oct 2003, 09:41 (Ref:766678)   #14
DriverT
Veteran
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
United Kingdom
Silverstone
Posts: 2,147
DriverT should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Re: Jordan: We will stuff Sauber

Quote:
Originally posted by Inigo Montoya
http://www.tsn.ca/auto_racing/formul...y.asp?ID=58532

Eddie claims that Fisi will regret his choice to leave Jordan and that " I would expect that next season we will be stuffing Sauber "

We'll see
That's called "trying to impress sponsors"
DriverT is offline  
Quote
Old 29 Oct 2003, 10:23 (Ref:766710)   #15
climb
Veteran
 
climb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
St Pierre and Miquelon
closer than you thought!
Posts: 4,512
climb should be qualifying in the top 10 on the gridclimb should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
What he certainly needs after such a season
climb is offline  
__________________
You got to learn how to fall, before you learn to fly
P.Simon
Quote
Old 29 Oct 2003, 10:47 (Ref:766736)   #16
Super Tourer
Subscriber
Veteran
 
Super Tourer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2000
United Kingdom
East Anglia
Posts: 4,304
Super Tourer should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridSuper Tourer should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridSuper Tourer should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridSuper Tourer should be qualifying in the top 3 on the grid
Also know as setting yourself up for a fall.......
Super Tourer is offline  
__________________
'I've seen it, but still don't believe it.....'
Quote
Old 29 Oct 2003, 10:56 (Ref:766748)   #17
BootsOntheSide
Veteran
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
England
Eastbourne, England
Posts: 13,000
BootsOntheSide should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridBootsOntheSide should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridBootsOntheSide should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridBootsOntheSide should be qualifying in the top 3 on the grid
On merit, Sauber would've finished 8th this year (although not if Michelin hadn't been superior). For now, the days of private teams being competitive in F1 are finished, and 8th is probably the best Eddie can hope for on merit until the bigger companies realsie that '7th best car company' doesn't make for great advertising.

Unless Jaguar finally give Eddie a fair deal on engiens, Bridegstone improve significantly, there are a lot of wet races, ro he discovers anotehr Michael Schumacher, Jordan are facing anotehr year of struggle.
BootsOntheSide is offline  
Quote
Old 29 Oct 2003, 11:19 (Ref:766787)   #18
ralf fan
Forum Host
Veteran
 
ralf fan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
United Nations
Apartment No.203
Posts: 6,529
ralf fan should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridralf fan should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridralf fan should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridralf fan should be qualifying in the top 3 on the grid
after this horrible year EJ will need to stuff himself in a bag after these comment.......(or has he got some deal MERC?? up his sleve!)
ralf fan is offline  
__________________
A byte walks into a bar and orders a pint. Bartender asks him "What's wrong?" Byte says "Parity error." Bartender nods and says "Yeah, I thought you looked a bit off."
Quote
Old 29 Oct 2003, 11:19 (Ref:766789)   #19
ralf fan
Forum Host
Veteran
 
ralf fan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
United Nations
Apartment No.203
Posts: 6,529
ralf fan should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridralf fan should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridralf fan should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridralf fan should be qualifying in the top 3 on the grid
Maybe Jordon is sore at FISCO
ralf fan is offline  
__________________
A byte walks into a bar and orders a pint. Bartender asks him "What's wrong?" Byte says "Parity error." Bartender nods and says "Yeah, I thought you looked a bit off."
Quote
Old 29 Oct 2003, 12:02 (Ref:766836)   #20
Super Tourer
Subscriber
Veteran
 
Super Tourer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2000
United Kingdom
East Anglia
Posts: 4,304
Super Tourer should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridSuper Tourer should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridSuper Tourer should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridSuper Tourer should be qualifying in the top 3 on the grid
On merit Jordan scored 3 pts, if the Brazil GP had lasted any longer the safety car could have won it, so those 10pts were pure fluke.

I've read several EJ articles/interviews recently, to me he seems almost in denial. This year was a shambles, the car was awful, coupled with a 'TW' style pasting from a high court judge and self inflicted loss of several million pounds on pointless legal action.

Jordan have been thorough engine suppliers like there's no tomorrow and the next one is always going to be better....For EJ, an upturn in performance is always seemingly around the corner, out of sight.

Maybe he will pull it around, but if we start from here - this is how it stacks up.

Sauber - both drivers signed already and a very pacey line up. Investing in the future with state of the art wind tunnel. Very good relationship with Ferrari, top notch engine for 2004 and more input from Ferrari including gearbox. Main sponsor signed and sealed for 2004.

Jordan - no drivers signed and likely to be pay drivers in the end. No investment in any more facilities, in fact has been cutting costs and laying off staff over the last 18 months or so. Tetchy relationship with Ford engines, which have proved ineffective and unreliable. B & H likely to continue and believed to be pitching for Lubrax deal. No lead designer and Gary Anderson is heading into semi- retirement.

You've got to say that Sauber has the stronger platform to build from.

I'm sure there is some 'green eye' from losing Fizzi, but to be fair Fizzi honoured his 2003 contract despite the alleged clause that Jordan had to have a 'works' deal - that turned out to be a customer deal in the end.

A harsh assessment would be that EJ's troubles are largely self inflicted.

Last edited by Super Tourer; 29 Oct 2003 at 12:05.
Super Tourer is offline  
__________________
'I've seen it, but still don't believe it.....'
Quote
Old 29 Oct 2003, 12:44 (Ref:766876)   #21
Bononi
Race Official
20KPINAL
 
Bononi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location:
Deep in the Chaos Nation's countryside
Posts: 21,606
Bononi will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameBononi will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameBononi will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameBononi will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameBononi will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameBononi will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameBononi will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameBononi will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameBononi will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameBononi will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Fame
Quote:
Originally posted by Super Tourer
Jordan - no drivers signed and likely to be pay drivers in the end. No investment in any more facilities, in fact has been cutting costs and laying off staff over the last 18 months or so. Tetchy relationship with Ford engines, which have proved ineffective and unreliable. B & H likely to continue and believed to be pitching for Lubrax deal. No lead designer and Gary Anderson is heading into semi- retirement.
Sounds like Minardi...
Bononi is offline  
__________________
Show me a man who won't give it to his woman
An' I'll show you somebody who will
Quote
Old 29 Oct 2003, 13:04 (Ref:766893)   #22
Wrex
Ten-Tenths Hall of Fame
Veteran
 
Wrex's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Australia
Melbourne - Home of the Australian GP
Posts: 7,643
Wrex is going for a new lap record!Wrex is going for a new lap record!Wrex is going for a new lap record!Wrex is going for a new lap record!Wrex is going for a new lap record!Wrex is going for a new lap record!
Well Said ST

After reading the story I would put my last dollar on the fact Sauber and Jordan are fighting over the same sponsor in the background.
Wrex is offline  
__________________
#Keepfightingmichael
Quote
Old 29 Oct 2003, 16:06 (Ref:767067)   #23
steve_r
Veteran
 
steve_r's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Lord Howe Island
European Capital of Culture 2008
Posts: 3,664
steve_r is going for a new world record!steve_r is going for a new world record!steve_r is going for a new world record!steve_r is going for a new world record!steve_r is going for a new world record!steve_r is going for a new world record!steve_r is going for a new world record!
Quote:
Originally posted by BootsOntheSide
or he discovers anotehr Michael Schumacher, Jordan are facing anotehr year of struggle.
Finding the LAST Michael Schumacher didn't do them a great deal of good!
steve_r is offline  
__________________
It's just my opinion.
Quote
Old 29 Oct 2003, 16:27 (Ref:767090)   #24
Bononi
Race Official
20KPINAL
 
Bononi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location:
Deep in the Chaos Nation's countryside
Posts: 21,606
Bononi will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameBononi will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameBononi will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameBononi will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameBononi will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameBononi will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameBononi will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameBononi will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameBononi will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameBononi will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Fame
Quote:
Originally posted by steve_r
Finding the LAST Michael Schumacher didn't do them a great deal of good!
One race and there he goes...
Bononi is offline  
__________________
Show me a man who won't give it to his woman
An' I'll show you somebody who will
Quote
Old 29 Oct 2003, 16:29 (Ref:767094)   #25
Adam43
14th
1% Club
 
Adam43's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
European Union
New Orleans
Posts: 44,194
Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!
and they would have been better off with the pole Gachot would have delivered them for that one race
Adam43 is offline  
__________________
Brum brum
Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
The end for Jordan, Minardi, Sauber and BAR Kicking-back Formula One 45 18 Oct 2005 01:08
BREAKING NEWS - Jordan to become Midland Jordan Kicking-back Formula One 71 29 Jan 2005 12:12
The right stuff. Harves Australasian Touring Cars. 35 19 Aug 2004 07:11
Firman signs for Jordan! (aka Jordan thread 12,455) bosch! Formula One 78 6 Feb 2003 15:46
GT stuff Osella Sportscar & GT Racing 2 9 Sep 2002 09:01


All times are GMT. The time now is 14:21.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Original Website Copyright © 1998-2003 Craig Antil. All Rights Reserved.
Ten-Tenths Motorsport Forums Copyright © 2004-2021 Royalridge Computing. All Rights Reserved.
Ten-Tenths Motorsport Forums Copyright © 2021-2022 Grant MacDonald. All Rights Reserved.