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6 Apr 2003, 21:45 (Ref:560810)
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Cause of Barrichello's stop
Barrichello just finished an interview with a Brazilian radio and said "I don't know what happened... I just lost the telemetry [note by Muzza: I guess he meant the digital dashboard] and then the engine cut off. It just 'died'."
However... A friend of mine who watched the race from the end of the Reta Oposta just called me. He said that the word in the track is that the Ferrari simply ran out of fuel. Barrichello was scheduled to stop on the previous lap, and it is possible that the Ferrari team miscalculated the fuel consumption (due to safety car periods). My friend said that many people heard the Ferrari engine gasping (as for fuel) the lap Barrichello stopped. Any comments from other sources? Last edited by Muzza; 6 Apr 2003 at 21:46. |
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6 Apr 2003, 21:49 (Ref:560823)
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Interesting.
My first thought was that he had ran out of fuel, but I just can't beleive it was the case. Maybe a fuel pick-up problem? I've not seen anything from the usual sites... |
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6 Apr 2003, 21:56 (Ref:560843)
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So many million$$$ on that car and don´t have proper fuel telemetry ?!?
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6 Apr 2003, 22:22 (Ref:560888)
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I thought...well, this is what I thought when Rubens stopped. So sad, so avoidable. Isn't this what they said last year, too? One thing's for sure: We'll never hear the definitive answer from the Scuderia!
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6 Apr 2003, 22:24 (Ref:560891)
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He's making it further into the races though, last 2 times he's retired while leading... maybe NEXT year?
 I hate to think what he must be feeling like now though, you could feel his dissapoitment when he slowed... |
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6 Apr 2003, 22:34 (Ref:560907)
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So Ferrari, a multi-billion dollar operation, can't even tell when one of their drivers is running out of fuel? Seems a shade unlikely, but it's certainly possible...
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6 Apr 2003, 23:06 (Ref:560933)
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I think it ran out of fuel.
If I worked for Ferrari I wouldn't admit that we let it go dry. lol |
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6 Apr 2003, 23:21 (Ref:560946)
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You don't want to know the shady thoughts that went through my mind when he first slowed.......but the poor guy looked so dejected......
What was the point of keeping the 2002 cars instead of going with the alledgedly much quicker 2003 Ferrari.....:confused: Oh, that's right....reliability. D'oh! 
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6 Apr 2003, 23:25 (Ref:560953)
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I believe it's very dificult to put a fuel gauge in an F1 car.
I could be wrong but I believe the fuel is stored in the tank in a foam very much like a sponge to stop the liquid sloshing around and unsrttling the car due to the g-forces. So the teams really have to calculate how fuel is in there. If I've got this completely wrong then please correct me. 
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6 Apr 2003, 23:31 (Ref:560955)
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I know what happened.
Mr Brawan pressed the disable Barras' car button. Ferarri will NEVER let Barras beat Shu.....EVER. Last edited by J.McClane; 6 Apr 2003 at 23:31. |
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6 Apr 2003, 23:39 (Ref:560959)
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But Schu was out of the running. Why would the team scupper the chance of constructor points at least?
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6 Apr 2003, 23:46 (Ref:560966)
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Cos they don't want Barras to beat Shu.
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6 Apr 2003, 23:47 (Ref:560967)
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But even with his DNF he already had.
Even if they did, it's a stupid thing to do. I really can't buy that suggestion. To the media it's all about the drivers, but to the teams the constructors championship is the most important. I dn't buy that suggestion for the seconds. Throwing away 10 points just on pride? I don't think so. Last edited by Spudgun; 6 Apr 2003 at 23:50. |
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6 Apr 2003, 23:48 (Ref:560969)
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Yes, but without Baras finishing,the gap is closer.
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6 Apr 2003, 23:52 (Ref:560972)
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6 Apr 2003, 23:57 (Ref:560982)
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Better than the weather....which was far better in the UK than Brazil.
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7 Apr 2003, 00:05 (Ref:560989)
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With an F1 car they measure the exact amount of fuel going in. I can’t imagine they don’t have a flow meter in the fuel line to tell them exactly how much fuel goes into the engine at any given time. So working out how much fuel is in the tank should be very easy.
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7 Apr 2003, 00:26 (Ref:561000)
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I would've thought you'd get a little bit of warning with fuel aswell.
Remember when they shaked the car from side to side to pick up those last few drops. Maybe I'm wrong, I hope Rubens didnt lose out because of something stupid though. |
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7 Apr 2003, 00:35 (Ref:561007)
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Hey!! remember the early Beetles? They didn't have a fuel gauge, but they did have a small lever that operated a reserve tank. I had a similar system on my Matchless bike also.
I am sure what with the Safety car, and the slower laps, Ross must have miscalculated how much fuel was used. Last edited by Valve Bounce; 7 Apr 2003 at 00:36. |
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7 Apr 2003, 00:39 (Ref:561009)
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7 Apr 2003, 00:40 (Ref:561010)
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I wouldn't be that surprised, its not an exact science as one might think, even in road cars everyone knows that you don't stop the instant it hits empty
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7 Apr 2003, 01:09 (Ref:561032)
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If it ran out of gas then Brawn and Co have a lot of explaining to do. Its just a shame that he didnt finish again. Im not a huge fan of Barrichelo but the guy certainly deserved to be on the podium if not win the last 2 Brazilian grand prixs.
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7 Apr 2003, 09:39 (Ref:561268)
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It wouldn't suprise me at all for that would explain why Barrichello was so much quicker just before he stopped because the car was running dry, not that you'll ever get the true story from Ferrari.
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7 Apr 2003, 09:48 (Ref:561278)
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When he passed DC, something in my little brain said "I hope he doesn't run out of fuel". Then a few corners later he pulls in. I really think it was that one thought that jinxxed him. Will we ever find out?
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How logn had it been sicne Rubens pitted, and how many laps since the earlier pitstop had been under safet car? I would've thought that there would be enough fuel in the car to go further than they did, but I may be wrong. They all pitted after Firman and Panis clashed.
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