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19 Sep 2019, 11:21 (Ref:3928858) | #1 | |
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DTM 2020
A new, exciting calendar for 2020 has been revealed with one 'TBA' round in May. Apart from four German tracks (Nürburgring, Hockenheimring, Norisring and Lausitzring) there are rounds at Zolder, Assen, Monza, Brands Hatch and Anderstorp.
Also, for the first time since 2000 Hockenheim is held just once with Zolder serving as a season opener. There's also possibility of a new support series, one-make Aston Martin Vantage Cup. |
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Oschersleben? Austria? Finland?
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19 Sep 2019, 18:49 (Ref:3928942) | #3 | |
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Saw KymiRing rumoured!
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19 Sep 2019, 20:11 (Ref:3928957) | #4 | |
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I'm certain it won't be Oschersleben or Red Bull Ring. But KymiRing? Who knows!
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25 Sep 2019, 11:07 (Ref:3930043) | #5 | ||
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Hockenheimring at the end of may?
They will do everyting possible to get 2 times DTM in 2020, after losing the F1 race next year! |
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25 Sep 2019, 21:56 (Ref:3930135) | #6 | ||
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It may be Monaco. The DTM date is a week after the F1 GP, the infrastructure is already there. Although that would mean a third weekend in May after the Historic Grand Prix (8-10 May) and the F1 Grand Prix (22-24 May). According to the Automobile Club de Monaco a third weekend is not possible:
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But DTM could always use people/resource from the Norisring to solve (most of) that problem. |
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26 Sep 2019, 23:13 (Ref:3930284) | #7 | ||
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DTM at Monaco would be about as expensive as FIA GT at Macau.
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27 Sep 2019, 11:14 (Ref:3930360) | #8 | |
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Cant imagine anything more boring than DTM at Monaco.
These cars need room to muddle with each other. Zandvoort shows that. Why waste another calendar slot on a procession. |
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28 Sep 2019, 13:02 (Ref:3930559) | #9 | |
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Would it be possible to hold a race weekend during the test days at the complete 24h Le Mans circuit? It should be the weekend of the test days there next year.
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30 Sep 2019, 16:10 (Ref:3931122) | #10 | ||
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Finnish fans should be delighted - it's St.Petersburg after all.
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Honestly saying I don't think it's a great addition to the calendar. As far as I remember DTM rounds in Moscow weren't well-attended and I'd be surprised if it's different in St Petersburg. I know DTM goes for internationalisation and I like it but still I'd rather see Oschersleben or Red Bull Ring than Igora Drive.
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3 Oct 2019, 13:27 (Ref:3931689) | #13 | |
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I'd rather they would do as many rounds as they can in Germany, with overseas tracks filling the rest
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3 Oct 2019, 15:21 (Ref:3931711) | #14 | |
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Yep they have a huge following in Germany so it's not right to take the series away from German fans. Especially if they go to Russia instead.
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3 Oct 2019, 16:24 (Ref:3931718) | #15 | |
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Russia is an important market for the German brands. I would guess BMW and Audi are happy.
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5 Oct 2019, 17:39 (Ref:3932097) | #17 | |
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I know they don't want to. Back in 2012 when BMW joined the series it was their demand that DTM should become more international. Audi would like to see it more international as well let alone Aston Martin. But Russia - even though it's an important market for the brands - would not attract big crowds and the track seems a bit boring.
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10 Oct 2019, 00:30 (Ref:3933013) | #18 | ||
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Well, St. Petersburg has long had a reputation for being the Russian city that feels most like a major Western European city. That, and being significantly closer to other countries, like Finland, may help the crowd situation.
As for the racing, the lap is significantly more open than Moscow Raceway, being somewhat longer and having a few less corners, with fewer being slow(ish) and more being high-speed in nature. Also, Igora has more than just the one substantial straight. Finally, this may be something of a dry run to see how an international event goes ahead of a possible move of the Russian GP from Sochi. (In addition, one piece I've seen says they have the option/space to extend the circuit by 850 meters should they deem that necessary, bringing it up to the original F1-spec proposal.) |
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10 Oct 2019, 09:37 (Ref:3933074) | #19 | |
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I just hope the series doesn't get ideas above it's station like it did with the ITC. Keep it close to it's roots as possible
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10 Oct 2019, 15:17 (Ref:3933141) | #20 | |
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In the meantime, it seems that BMW will keep the six cars: https://www.touringcartimes.com/2019...ustomer-teams/
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24 Oct 2019, 21:05 (Ref:3936626) | #21 | |
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R-Motorsport has terminated their deal with HWA for supply of engines and they're working on an alternative option. Aston Martin claims they are 'supportive' of R-Motorsport's programme and have committed to 2020.
I've got the impression it all looks terribly messy in the Aston/R-Motorsport camp - firstly building cars in 90 days, now they're splitting with engine supplier despite the fact they have no replacement so far. And it seems Aston Martin doesn't talk about their 'long-term commitment' either... |
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Yes, but maybe they have already plan B... I think, they had underestimated the costs of DTM. HWA critizised, that the budget was too small to compete with Audi & BMW. I believe, they raised now their offer to have budget for proper reliability development. Thats maybe why the offer was not taken anymore... They need someone who is willing to give the engines for free. And factory backing is not really in place, maybe they only have some marketing help from Aston... |
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25 Oct 2019, 20:19 (Ref:3936777) | #23 | |
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Motorsport Total says there are talks with Honda about supplying engines. Also, they've shared an interview with Andy Palmer, Aston's CEO and according to his words the brand is committed to DTM. What's interesting, he said Aston Martin is too small a company to have all motorsport programmes under 'factory roof' and they need partners such as Prodrive or R-Motorsport. He also didn't rule out hiring Aston factory drivers for DTM.
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28 Oct 2019, 11:12 (Ref:3937309) | #24 | ||
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I do not understand who do they talk to with all that "Honda in DTM" or "Audi in GT500" fairy tales. GT500 have and will have jet-ignition and 2 specs of engines per season, slight aero mods.
I bet there will be only one season (at best) for Aston with ex-HWA engines without any development, just with some helping hand from Herr Berger to make them on a par with others. |
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