DJRTP #17 Runs Wrong Drop Gear In Tailem Bend??

[Mixer]

https://www.speedcafe.com/2018/09/14...-rules-breach/

DJR Team Penske has escaped penalty following a breach of technical rules on Scott McLaughlin’s car during the OTR SuperSprint.

Supercars has confirmed to Speedcafe.com that the incident occurred during the Sunday qualifying session at The Bend Motorsport Park where the team fitted the incorrect drop gear to McLaughlin’s Falcon.

“Upon a routine post-race investigation by the Supercars Technical Department, it was found Car 17 had been fitted with an ineligible drop gear ratio during Sunday qualifying at the OTR SuperSprint,” read a statement issued to Speedcafe.com.

“There was no competitive advantage and the team admitted the error.”

Seriously Supercars, where's the consistency, if there's a breach there should be a routine penalty of exclusion from the affected session.

If this had been 888 you can only imagine the baying for blood that would occur.

I think the fact that "no competitive advantage was gained" is irrelevant.

[GTRMagic]

Just in case the story ‘evaporates’













Mr Fogarty & AA found this... Adcafe are probably still waiting for the press release..

Didn’t prodrive fo something similar in Mr Perkins’ car at The Eastern Creek series launch one year?

[Mixer]

Adcafe had it posted first, then pulled it, and posted it again with the article having a different name.

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Mixer

Adcafe had it posted first, then pulled it, and posted it again with the article having a different name.

Screenshots live forever....

[GTRMagic]

Stewards Hearing At Sandown

A really odd mistake...

If 888 has done it, the screams could he heard from here.. but since it’s DJ...

[Tourer]

So it looks like supercars did not in fact try to hide anything but recorded the information ready to present to the stewards at Sandown. It also looks like AA may have jumped the gun without having all the facts checked (mainly, the referral to the stewards).

What I find strange though is that data is only checked after the race weekend. Back in the day, supercars had a data person at every race meeting and data was downloaded and checked from every car after every session. Strange that they are not doing it now - maybe the lessons learnt from the past are being forgotten?

[GTRMagic]

And DJRTP get away with the error, without penalty

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Can a team ‘accidentally’ put a different drop gear in at Bathurst so the cars don’t rattatatt on the limiter at the Chase, and have no charge laid against them?

[GTRMagic]

DJRTP ‘Embarassed’

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Can a team ‘accidentally’ put a different drop gear in at Bathurst so the cars don’t rattatatt on the limiter at the Chase, and have no charge laid against them?

Well I guess the telemetry is going to show a benefit, so its pretty simple.

But still an infraction should not be left unpunished because there wasn't a performance benefit, because plenty of penalties have been issued before when nobody gained anything from it.

Just infuriating lack of consistency, it is the only consistent thing!

[JAFA851]

If there are rules, and people break them ( whether intentionally or not ), and there is no punishment, why bother having rules in the first place? Another massive red face for Supercars management.

[Sandgroper]

So I read 1 report saying it was resolved and no actions

Now Im reading the will revert back tonight?

Is this closed or still open?

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Can a team ‘accidentally’ put a different drop gear in at Bathurst so the cars don’t rattatatt on the limiter at the Chase, and have no charge laid against them?

There are only 2 drop bears (see what I did there?) allowed so to fit a higher one for Bathurst would mean using one that isn't allowed - that would no doubt be viewed differently to this case. Mind you, it might be entertaining to see if the car concerned could get up the hill in pit lane, on the pit lane limiter with a higher ratio drop gear.

Originally Posted by Mixer

But still an infraction should not be left unpunished because there wasn't a performance benefit, because plenty of penalties have been issued before when nobody gained anything from it.

Just infuriating lack of consistency, it is the only consistent thing!

Although there have also been plenty of non-issue of penalties where there was no gain. Each case viewed on its merits by the stewards I guess.

Personally, regardless of the team, I think the "no performance benefit" thing is a crock - the car either meets the rules or it doesn't. If it does, happy days, if it doesn't - whammo!

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Tourer

There are only 2 drop bears (see what I did there?) allowed so to fit a higher one for Bathurst would mean using one that isn't allowed - that would no doubt be viewed differently to this case. Mind you, it might be entertaining to see if the car concerned could get up the hill in pit lane, on the pit lane limiter with a higher ratio drop gear.

True but if you could swap the drop bear out after Hardie’s Heroes with no penalty, then no performance advantage might be found....

[Racer65]

Originally Posted by Tourer

Personally, regardless of the team, I think the "no performance benefit" thing is a crock - the car either meets the rules or it doesn't. If it does, happy days, if it doesn't - whammo!

It has to be taken into account though. There's a big difference between blatant cheating and mixing up parts for no gain and sometimes even loss of performance.

At the end of the day a race weekend is a high pressure, low rest environment and mistakes are going to happen.

[Umai Naa]

Teams have been hit far harder for a lot less.

The car ran in a qualifying session, out of spec.

I recall a year when Mr Murphy's Kelly Krate qualified using wheels that were not the recently-implemented control wheel. You wouldn't think that would offer a perfermance gain, but he was ousted.

[Racer65]

And teams have had no/less punishment for a lot more. It's not as simple as saying everyone gets punished the same regardless of the infraction. Stewards have access to far more information than any fan does.

[Mixer]

So what's now to stop someone "accidentally" testing something in a session?

You just can't open pandora's box, I think.

[Forda]

Wow - what a big deal.

Obviously right up there with Smokey Yunick stuff; but not quite at TWR levels.

Anyway; as you were.

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Racer65

And teams have had no/less punishment for a lot more. It's not as simple as saying everyone gets punished the same regardless of the infraction. Stewards have access to far more information than any fan does.

And if 888 had done it, there would be no end of comment, abuse and vitriol of cheating and the like

The team ran a car outside the rules of the day. That they recognised this, and fixed it, suggests they discovered/knew of the problem.

The bloke in 11th place that day ran his car to the letter of the law. Why should he have started the race behind a car that was technically ineligible during qualifying?

[GTRMagic]

$30k Fine, Half Suspended, No Points Loss

[Umai Naa]

End of year dinner is going to be extravagant.

[GTRMagic]

The Full Summary Of Events

[Mixer]

So no performance was gained, except they did not start rear of grid as they probably should have...

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[Razor]

Find it a bit weird that they disqualified #17 from that qualifying when it happened several weeks ago. Could the powers to be gave #17 a grid penalty to make up for it or is CAMS/VASA admitting they have invented time travel?

[chavez]

Of course the real silliness is having a rule that allows only for two different ratios and then mandating which one must be used at which circuit.

Why dictate which ratio must be used when performance wise there is only one choice? Sounds like another case of writing rules for the sake of writing rules.