Vettel quite impressive !!

[karimbo]

He's only 19.

It was maybe his 2nd time in an F1 car.

He is currently driving in the F3 Euroseries.

He raced 2 races in World Series by Renault. (He won them both)

How can you explain the fact that some ex-world champions need a year or so to "adapt" to their new cars after leaving F1 for 8 months and a teenager out of Formula 3, on an unknown track to him performs like this ?

I know, I know, the 3rd drivers have different cars, but come on !!

Mario Thiessen must be laughing his head off...

[Alwaysfirst]

It was more than a little impressive. BMW seem to have several very promising drivers on their books ready to spring on F1. Watching how Kubica goes may be a reasonable measure of Vettel's ability. If Kubica reguarly beats Heidfeld & is scoring points & Vettel continues to top the time sheets as Kubica did then he can be considered even more impressive.

[karimbo]

By the way, I forgot to mention that Vettel's helmet has a Red Bull logo on hit.

Exactly like the one on Webber's and DC's car for next year.

If I'd be Webber or DC, I would start worrying for my job...

[marcus]

I was going to start a thread on him like "who is he?"

but thanks for the brief outline on him karimbo

certainly a very impressive job and a name to watch for the not so distant future it would seem

[Greenback]

very impressive indeed and with his 19 year old boyish look and super quick lap time, he is going to put alot of pressure on older folks like Nick, which is now being linked to Toyota.

It will be interesting to see how Vettel perform in other circuit.

[VilleneuveTracy]

Anthony Davidson has years of F1 experience and is driving a car that is almost always superior to the BMW. Do we really believe Vettel, with no experience in a F1 car aside from two tests (I don't know about his Williams test but in the BMW test he was slow. Where do you think his sudden speed came from today? ) is substantially quicker than AD? He was half a second faster than AD and then you have to factor in AD's superior car. Please. Vettel is pulling a Kubica. BMW can't contend when it counts so they fool around with fumes and high revs on Friday.

At his Jerez test he was 12th quickest out of 12 drivers, a whopping second slower than Kubica. Where was all this "speed" last month???

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...s_art_id=28615

[JeremySmith]

I think you are spot on VT...

[LongJohnSilver]

I think the only surprising thing is that low fuel and higher revs makes such a huge difference.

[VilleneuveTracy]

What happened to Kubica's "amazing" speed? Over two seconds slower than Vettel? If Kubica is the next MS, what is Vettel?

1. Sebastian Vettel / Germany / Sauber-BMW / 1:28.091
2. Felipe Massa / Brazil Ferrari / 1:28.164
3. Jenson Button / Britain / Honda / 1:28.506
4. Anthony Davidson / British / Honda / 1:28.598
5. Ralf Schumacher / Germany / Toyota / 1:28.614
6. Michael Schumacher / Germany / Ferrari / 1:28.819
7. Robert Doornbos / Netherlands / Red Bull-Ferrari / 1:28.848
8. Kimi Raikkonen / Finland / McLaren-Mercedes / 1:29.042
9. Pedro de la Rosa / Spain / McLaren-Mercedes / 1:29.112
10. Rubens Barrichello / Brazil / Honda / 1:29.214
11. Giorgio Mondini / Switzerland / MF1-Toyota / 1:29.719
12. Fernando Alonso / Spain / Renault / 1:29.741
13. Neel Jani / Switzerland / Toro Rosso-Cosworth / 1:29.858
14. Scott Speed / United States / Toro Rosso-Cosworth / 1:29.890
15. Jarno Trulli / Italy / Toyota / 1:30.006
16. Franck Montagny / France / Super Aguri-Honda / 1:30.491
17. Robert Kubica / Poland / Sauber-BMW / 1:30.502

[karimbo]

Originally Posted by VilleneuveTracy

What happened to Kubica's "amazing" speed? Over two seconds slower than Vettel? If Kubica is the next MS, what is Vettel?

1. Sebastian Vettel / Germany / Sauber-BMW / 1:28.091
2. Felipe Massa / Brazil Ferrari / 1:28.164
3. Jenson Button / Britain / Honda / 1:28.506
4. Anthony Davidson / British / Honda / 1:28.598
5. Ralf Schumacher / Germany / Toyota / 1:28.614
6. Michael Schumacher / Germany / Ferrari / 1:28.819
7. Robert Doornbos / Netherlands / Red Bull-Ferrari / 1:28.848
8. Kimi Raikkonen / Finland / McLaren-Mercedes / 1:29.042
9. Pedro de la Rosa / Spain / McLaren-Mercedes / 1:29.112
10. Rubens Barrichello / Brazil / Honda / 1:29.214
11. Giorgio Mondini / Switzerland / MF1-Toyota / 1:29.719
12. Fernando Alonso / Spain / Renault / 1:29.741
13. Neel Jani / Switzerland / Toro Rosso-Cosworth / 1:29.858
14. Scott Speed / United States / Toro Rosso-Cosworth / 1:29.890
15. Jarno Trulli / Italy / Toyota / 1:30.006
16. Franck Montagny / France / Super Aguri-Honda / 1:30.491
17. Robert Kubica / Poland / Sauber-BMW / 1:30.502

I guess that if Vettel is pulling a Kubica, then Kubica is pulling a Villeneuve. He is pulling a Villeneuve after having pushed out Villeneuve.

[karimbo]

Originally Posted by VilleneuveTracy

At his Jerez test he was 12th quickest out of 12 drivers, a whopping second slower than Kubica. Where was all this "speed" last month???

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...s_art_id=28615

Absolutely true. That was THE FIRST TIME EVER in his life he drove a F1. He did not test drive his car for 15 000Km ( equal to one and a half Formula1 season) like JV did before the 1996 season....

[karimbo]

Originally Posted by marcus

I was going to start a thread on him like "who is he?"

but thanks for the brief outline on him karimbo

certainly a very impressive job and a name to watch for the not so distant future it would seem

www.sebastianvettel.de

Check it out, it's in German but if you click on Galerien or Bildengalerien you will see lots of pictures of his racing karts and winning. (Unlike some drivers BMW had in the past).

In 2004 he was Formula BMW champion winning 18 out of 20 races.
In 2003 he was runner up and rookie champion.

Hurry up, Doktor Thiessen will have the site shut down shortly to "gain kontrol"...

[VilleneuveTracy]

So where did he gain all this speed since July? He went from being the slowest of 12 drivers, a second slower than Kubica, to being the fastest driver and about 2 1/2 seconds faster than Kubica. Where did he gain 3 1/2 seconds relative to Kubica?

Karimbo, why was JV given all that testing? Anyone could have won in that car, right? Why waste all that time and money on testing a fraud behind the wheel who was in a car that anyone, even a fraud, could win in? Couldn't they have just found a cheap, unknown driver like some other team principals to do what anyone could do?

[karimbo]

Originally Posted by VilleneuveTracy

Kubica pulling a Villeneuve? Has he won a race or something?

He only drove One F1 race and did perform better than JV. (That's why JV is out of a job now.)

He actually won races LAST YEAR in the World Renault Series.

The Last time JV won a race, it was in the last century (1997 to be precise). Kubica was 12 years old... And Vettel only 9 or 10.

Time goes by fast... (unlike some ex-F1 drivers)

[VilleneuveTracy]

Mario T disagrees with you. He has said JV's performance was good. So why was he was sacked? It seems to make room for a young driver, with the other seat reserved for a German.

Where do you think Kubica will qualify in a few hours?

[aj_308]

Does this really need to turn into a JV bashing thread?

Good young talent by the looks of it, Hasn't won a WDC yet.

[karimbo]

Originally Posted by VilleneuveTracy

So where did he gain all this speed since July? He went from being the slowest of 12 drivers, a second slower than Kubica, to being the fastest driver and about 2 1/2 seconds faster than Kubica. Where did he gain 3 1/2 seconds relative to Kubica?

Karimbo, why was JV given all that testing? Anyone could have won in that car, right? Why waste all that time and money on testing a fraud behind the wheel who was in a car that anyone, even a fraud, could win in? Couldn't they have just found a cheap, unknown driver like some other team principals to do what anyone could do?

Why has Williams hired Alexander Wurz since JV's on the market? They KNOW his talent, don't they? Why didn't they hire him instead of Webber and Heidfeld 2 years ago? Maybe you should write them an e-mail and explain how good he is to them. There is nothing I can do for him personally...

[VilleneuveTracy]

Does this really need to turn into a JV bashing thread?

The purpose of this thread was to make JV look bad.

[karimbo]

Originally Posted by aj_308

Does this really need to turn into a JV bashing thread?

Good young talent by the looks of it, Hasn't won a WDC yet.

Dude, I swear that the purpose of this thread was about Sebastian Vettel.

He is to my mind incredible. He is only 19, shows up in a F1 for the 2nd time in his life and makes an incredible time. Last week he won an F3 race. And when he showed up to replace Colin Fleming at the World Renault Series for the Carlin Team he won both races.

His record in minor formulas and Karting is staggering. That's all. That's why I posted this thread.


VilleneuveTracy who is so obsessed by Villeneuve (he even named himself after him) sees Villeneuve bashing everywhere. I'm sorry for him. Next year, when Kubica will win races, what is he going to say? That Villeneuve would have done better? I guess so...

[VilleneuveTracy]

The logic works both ways. Why did Williams hire him in the first place? Why did they want to retain him? Why did McLaren want him for 1999? Why did Benetton want him? Etc.

What was JV's problem in 2006? Age. Would he beat out of F1 based on his 2006 performance if he were 25 or 30?

[VilleneuveTracy]

Karimbo, your posts have a consistent pattern. I am actually a fan of your work. You do a very good job representing your views.

Obssessed with JV? The "Tracy" in my name refers to Paul Tracy. How many times have I posted about him?

Vettel is indeed promising but today's result says more about Kubica and BMW than it says about him or JV. Apparently Kubica's speed on Friday was due to BMW's program, not him. So how good is he? Is he even better than Vettel, if Vettel could match him in Friday pace with no experience? BMW also are apparently willing to sacrifice race positions and points to look good on Friday. While other teams concentrate on race setups and collecting data for the race, BMW showboats.

[karimbo]

Originally Posted by VilleneuveTracy

Karimbo, your posts have a consistent pattern. I am actually a fan of your work. You do a very good job representing your views.

Obssessed with JV? The "Tracy" in my name refers to Paul Tracy. How many times have I posted about him?

Vettel is indeed promising but today's result says more about Kubica and BMW than it says about him or JV. Apparently Kubica's speed on Friday was due to BMW's program, not him. So how good is he? Is he even better than Vettel, if Vettel could match him in Friday pace with no experience? BMW also are apparently willing to sacrifice race positions and points to look good on Friday. While other teams concentrate on race setups and collecting data for the race, BMW showboats.

How many years have BMW been racing as a TEAM in formula 1 ? 1 year. Red Bull Toyota and Honda ? Longer. Next year will show us BMW'S true potential. I have no worries for them. They won at Le Mans at their first experience there.

I like karting more than I like single seaters. This is a sure pattern: while karting Senna, MS, Kimi, Alonso were incredible. And Hamilton and Kubica were just as incredible. Their duals were EPIC !! VT, this is how I pick my drivers: 1) I follow the karting championships 2) I see the rising stars 3) I follow the rising stars to the top. Sometimes the guys don't have the money or connections to get very far. But sometime they do. Do you want to know who in my mind will be next? Vettel of course but also Miquel Molina, actually racing in Spanish F3, Dani Clos (outstanding!!!) leader in European and Italian formula Renault. Both world Class karting stars.

[karimbo]

Originally Posted by VilleneuveTracy

What was JV's problem in 2006? Age. Would he beat out of F1 based on his 2006 performance if he were 25 or 30?

How old is T.G F. ??

[karimbo]

VilleneuveTracy, I think that if we keep up they way do, we'll both get kicked out of ten-tenths.

Actually, I'm surprised they've not kicked us out yet !!!

[VilleneuveTracy]

You are right. I favor a cease-fire with a buffer zone monitored by Canadian peacekeepers.

Seriously, though, and on topic, does Vettel represent a threat to Kubica or even Heidfeld for 2007? Kubica is not confirmed and if he doesn't do well in the next four races could Vettel be brought in? Or will Vettel get a race or two tryout to compare him with Kubica? Or will Heidfeld be replaced for a Vettel-Kubica lineup? We know Heidfeld has a contract but so did JV... MT gambled a lot on Kubica. He can't afford having a failed lineup for 2007. I can't wait to see how Kub qualifies in a few hours.