Can Arrows win?

[Yoong Montoya]

I know that the prospects of a maiden victory for Arrows this year are slim. But do you remember how they did in 1997? They barely qualified for the first two races, but in Hungary, Damon Hill took the lead on lap 1 and would have won the race if he hadn't been slowed down on the last lap by a gearbox problem. But he still finished 2nd. This year, they have Heinz-Harald Frentzen who thrashed Damon Hill when they were teammates at Jordan in 1999. Do you think he could do as well as Hill did in 1997 and maybe even get a victory for Arrows this year?

[paulzinho]

This year? No chance!!They've got to go better than Ferrari, Williams, McLaren, Renault, Sauber and Toyota to aven have a remote chance of that.

[Spudgun]

The chances will remain pretty slim at least until they can get the car off the start line..

But seriously I don't think they have the engine or the chassis to do it. Not to mention the budget either..

[Valve Bounce]

None, Nada, zilch. You must be new here and don't know about hte hex I put on Tom Walkinshaw.

[Splatz the Cow]

Could you extend that hex from F1 to V8's Valvebounce...

TWR 1,2,3, at the Clipsal 500 bored the **** outta me!

Got more fun at the Army display holding FN MAG squad support heavy machinegun, Steyr's, Rocket launchers. Took a picture of the girlfiend with a Minimi - Light support weapon weighs about 10kgs unloaded. Night vision goggles ... cool display.

Wake me when the Fords are on the podium or even a non-TWR win- pppllllleeeaaaaassseee!!!!!!!!!!! So boring.....

sorry back to F1

(V8's are making F1 look breathtakingly riveting now.)

[mac]

Splatz - you must have fallen asleep before the last 20 laps at Adelaide, because they were absolutely sensational.

[enemy-ace]

Nobody other than Ferrari or Williams will win this year, maybe McLaren. So unless something really drastic happens, nobody else will win other than the top three. So the question should be, can Arrows compete for points?
I think definitlely! Cosworth always builds a competitve engine, up until now it's sadly been housed in the poor Jag chassis. The Arrows chassis I believe is one of the most innovative on the grid at the moment. Coughlin and Rinland have put together a beautiful and quick car. 11th on the grid, with virtually no testing is astounding.
Their race pace is good to, Bernoldi overtook Massa in what is regarded as an excellent car, and then there was the Schumacher pass. I don't really rate Bernoldi very highly, So IMO if he can be this strong under race conditions, then I can't help but think that the car is good to drive.
Once they overcome their teething problems, I expect them to be strong. Let's hope that they do some serious testing and are able to afford the development required to maintain the pace.
Signing Frentzen was a good decision, he knows how to win in a car that is not one of the top runners. A quick, steady and consistent pace is what Arrows require from their No.1 driver and who knows they just might be there in the end.

[Mr V]

Originally posted by paulzinho
This year? No chance!!They've got to go better than Ferrari, Williams, McLaren, Renault, Sauber and Toyota to aven have a remote chance of that.

and they (damon in a arrows) did go better than ferrari, mclaren, benetton, sauber etc at hungary 1997! i agree that it's an unlikely senario, but the great thing about f1 is that every now and then it throws up a result thats so obscure, that we, the forum members have to talk about it!

can any 10/10ths member say (honestly) hand on heart that before the melbourne race that they thought a jaguar, a minardi and a toyota would all score points in the same race? anyone who says they thought this would happen is kidding themselves but it happened! so to say that arrows definatly won't win this season is talking about statistics, not un-predictability!

[Valve Bounce]

No!! I'm talking about the hex I put on Walkinshaw. Arrows won't win this year, I promise.

[Jukebox]

Win races? never!!!....points maybe but you can put your money that they'll definitely be better than Lauda's Jaguar

[EERO]

Before the season began, I held out some hope that HHF in the right lucky situation might come through. Given the propensity of the darned thing to stall on the grid-despite the fact that Arrows is doing a better good with the Cossie than Jag is-I am finally becoming convinced that HHF"s '99 season was a fairy tale in an otherwise mediocre career.

[f1manoz]

Arrows stand as much chance of winning a race as I do of reading the news for Channel 9 next year

However, Arrows will stand a chance of scoring a few points. They've got two quick drivers in HHF and Bernoldi, who are both eager for success. If things really went well for HHF, he *might* just get a shot at a podium. But a lot would have to fall his way first.

[Nicholas]

Hungary 1997 doesn't happen every fortnight, unfortunately...I think Mr Walkinshaw will have to wait a few more years.

[Dickie Thrust]

Shouldn't this thread be re-named

"Can Arrows score a point this year"

????

[DNQ]

Well, this year that gap between the top two/three is a lot bigger than the gap between the top teams to the midfeild in 1997...maybe in Monza, if it rained, and the BMW powered cars retired then, the powerful cosworth motors would have a chance, especially if it rains. Those Arrow's cars are always well packaged and quick on the pace.

[calais]

can arrows win??????
absolutely not

[Red]

Oh well, who would've thought that Panis' Ligier could win at Monaco? (Hmm, actually there are rumors that one lucky guy placed a bet on him....)

[Raoul Duke]

Strange things have happened over the years.....

But right now I'd say I have a better chance of acing my electronics exam(that I failed the last time I took it) withought doing an ounce of studying.

[Glen]

Not win, points very likely. Nice quick car and two good drivers. Loved Bernoldi going back at Schumi - great laugh.

Big irony with Arrows - the more they thrash Jaguar the less likely it becomes that they'll have decent engines next year! They can't win.

[Big Mac]

Arrows wont win, BUT they will beat the jokes known as Jaguar and BAR for points this year. And its a Catch 22 for them as Glen put it.

[steve nielsen]

a german site reported that Arrows have corected their budget, from 50 million $ to 35 million $, and they won't test any time soon(no money)

[senna12]

For Arrows to win a race, an absolutely incredible, one-time set of circumstances would have to occur. For them to score points would be only slightly less a miracle then a victory. There biggest success this year will to beat Jaguar, hopefully once Heinz gets an actual start in, we might get the odd surprise, perhaps when it rains.

If their budget is indeed 35 million, then they are going to have some real problems later in the year, when the dollars start running out. Maybe this Phoenix thing is some sort of hedge for Tom. Have you put the hex on Phoenix too, Valve? Or does Toms involvement make that a given?

TOM <<<<<<<

[Tristan]

Yeah, there IS no way Arrows will win this year. Or the next. Or the NEXT, IMO.

However, isn't the new car just BEAUTIFUL???? Livery's OK, but the CAR!! Phenomenal. Really fresh approach, innovative and very attactive.

Why do Arrows make such attractive cars?? Remeber Patrese in the golden Warstiener buzz-bomb?? And Mika Salo in that black moster.... quite possily the most stunning F1 car of modern times. ANY times. I even likes the original Orange Arrows, like a missile in a straght line. SUCH a clean profile. Luverly.

[Ralf's Girl]

Not a chance. Hungary 97 was a one-off, and Arrows now do not have the car or drivers to win. In 97 they had the reigning world champion who also happened to be very quick on the Hungaroring - this year it's just not happening.

[Mr V]

Originally posted by Ralf's Girl
Not a chance. Hungary 97 was a one-off, and Arrows now do not have the car or drivers to win. In 97 they had the reigning world champion who also happened to be very quick on the Hungaroring - this year it's just not happening.

i have to agree RG as damon was THE MAN around the hungaroring! however,in my earlier thread i stateded that every now and again, something so extradinary happens, that it defies belief (who'd have honestly thought that a ligier would win around monaco in '96) so although it's highly unlikely to happen, never say never......