Who's Bubble Will Burst in 2004

PaulSands · 2 Dec 2003, 14:55 (Ref:801536)

Who of these guys, if any, will see their stock drop in 2004

Montoya
Alonso
Raikkonen
Webber
None

This was supposed to be a poll but it didnt work for some reason

climb · 2 Dec 2003, 15:03 (Ref:801540)

Hopefully none; much will depend on tyres competitiveness: should BS regain the 2002 supremacy, well it's going to be a tough year for all of them.

Damon · 2 Dec 2003, 15:08 (Ref:801544)

None of the above. All are still very much on the way up and will have staring roles throughout 2004.

Super Tourer · 2 Dec 2003, 15:12 (Ref:801550)

I don't particularly think any of those.

For Alonso and Kimi the only thing that effects their stock is their performance relative to their team mates, and both have the measure of those.

As for JPM, Ralf's inconsistency over a season should see him unable to present a regular challenge to JPM.

Webber's not really had a regular team mate who's had the opportunity to challenge him, if Klien keeps him on his toes it could make people look again, at either of them.

**chunterer** · 2 Dec 2003, 15:22 (Ref:801559)

Raikkonen to continue where left off this season.
Alonso, much depends on new 'typical' V10 engine cos they've got the car there haven't they?Also think Trulli will be lot closer to him next year as well!
Monster? he'll drive 200% as always but if the Williams is the top car as many think it will be he'll have to fend for himself as he's leaving and BMW won't want him to take the glory.....unless of course there's still the chance that he won't be driving for them nexy year and moves to Mclaren early?!
If Toyota are strong can Da Matta step upto the plate?
Webber, if Jaguar goes backwards will people still rate him as highly, he could get overtaken in the teams' shopping list for 2005 departments?

PaulSands · 2 Dec 2003, 15:22 (Ref:801560)

The fact that to this point they've all been seen to be on the up and up I was pondering if anybody had been flattering to deceive

PaulSands · 2 Dec 2003, 15:24 (Ref:801562)

I was also trying to think of a precedent where there had been a strong crop of up and coming drivers in F1 but one ultimately proved to be a bit of a bust

Super Tourer · 2 Dec 2003, 15:28 (Ref:801566)

I think a drivers stock can only really be affected by a team mate comparison.

For example, if Klien outpaces Webber it would affect MW's stock, whereas if Jag build an inferior car and they slip down the grid I can't see that effecting him, as blame would be directed at the car.

However, conversely Webbers stock has risen on the back of appearing to outperform the car, without a regular team mate to measure against.

jawa · 2 Dec 2003, 15:41 (Ref:801572)

Webber's the only guy on this list who really needs to prove that he's a fast and aggressive racer. Yeah, we know he's good but don't forget that his 2003 season was just a couple of sixths and some sevenths. Looking at it objectively, that's not a great record...

However, to answer your question I don't think Webber's bubble will burst in 04 simply because he will consistently look better than Klein. Simple.

**chunterer** · 2 Dec 2003, 15:55 (Ref:801580)

Points well made gentleman.

I don't think Webber i'll have much of a problem with him either, just i think Jg will struggle to mirror '03 and it's for that reason that Webber may suffer or have 'stock' drop a bit particulalry if Williams look to sign someone who's getting results as well as showing flashes of speed.

I think Alonso's reputation is most at risk, i really think Trulli will pose bigger threat, unless of course Flavio restricts him from doing so?

Smokey 6 litre · 2 Dec 2003, 15:57 (Ref:801583)

None of them.

TGF is going to have a bad season and retire...hopefully.

PaulSands · 2 Dec 2003, 15:58 (Ref:801584)

*oink wooosh* did you see that?

ralf fan · 2 Dec 2003, 18:41 (Ref:801742)

JPM will be doomed next year!!

jetsetter · 3 Dec 2003, 03:53 (Ref:802115)

I think all of those drivers will continue to improve & give F1 an exciting future to look forward to.

rpolinski · 3 Dec 2003, 04:07 (Ref:802122)

None of the above. I'll put my money on one M. Schumacher.

Skam85 · 3 Dec 2003, 04:21 (Ref:802132)

My money's on Alonso....

Reason??

Probably the only way he can go is down after a brilliant 03. He is a great driver, i just can't see him having the same impact in 04.

Sorry to all the Alonso supporters.....

senna12 · 3 Dec 2003, 04:34 (Ref:802138)

I don't think for a minute that Fernando's bubble will burst. He proved he has an ability to run super quick and consistent race laps, even with damaged equipment (as in Italy, where he finished 8th, I believe). You know Ferrari want him.

Of the drivers listed, I think M. Webbers' rep has the most to lose in '04.

**chunterer** · 3 Dec 2003, 13:39 (Ref:802593)

I tend to agree, Webber's gonna keep going for it to prove his worth, even if Jag is rubbish next year.

But the only one who really copuld suffer is Schuey? I mean as i've referred to on top ten thread, he's facing more competition than he's had since F3/early days of F1 career, but he's facing drivers who are arguably his equal at that stage of his career or BETTER! He really could be onto a hiding to nothing in '04. He's suspect in wheel to wheel battle and if he has to really fight for wins, will he start punting people off again?

Frank_White · 3 Dec 2003, 14:00 (Ref:802618)

I think that montoya is apt to suffer a loss in reputation. He would'nt get the same support as ralf and when he transfers to Mclaren i think kimi is going to cream him.

Brandy_snap · 3 Dec 2003, 14:41 (Ref:802663)

Skam85 - Don't apologise, you're entitled to your opinion.

However, I do think your wrong. I don't think he will go downhill just because of a good season/luck/whatever in 2003. If that was the case, then TGF wouldn't be sitting pretty with 6 titles under his belt.

I'm not saying that Alonso is wonderful and the sun shines out of his

just cos i support him, cos there is every chance he could easily lose his racing quality next year. Just don't count on it too much!

woodbine · 3 Dec 2003, 15:18 (Ref:802707)

I think JPM is in for a dip. He will be out of the development loop for at least half the season and I think he will be trying too hard

Speed · 3 Dec 2003, 15:35 (Ref:802727)

Quote:

Originally posted by Frank_White
I think that montoya is apt to suffer a loss in reputation. He would'nt get the same support as ralf and when he transfers to Mclaren i think kimi is going to cream him.

We'll see...

Go Juan Go !!!

aussie_f3 · 5 Dec 2003, 12:51 (Ref:804697)

BANG!!!....that was the Webber bubble bursting!!

GP Racer · 6 Dec 2003, 16:03 (Ref:805588)

JPM will have tough year I predict. His contract announcement with Mclaren for 2005 will backfire in his face. Never heard of such a move in any sport, and it will leave him open to all sorts of problems this year.

Alonso's honeymoon could be over also. Trulli will be far more competitive this year as his chances of suffering the same bad luck this year, as last year, is slim to none.

steve nielsen · 6 Dec 2003, 16:22 (Ref:805595)

Klien

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