Vettel has joined Toro Rosso/Now signed for 2008!

Down F0rce · 31 Jul 2007, 09:55 (Ref:1977028)

http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns19466.html

Rather brief article, I'm assuming that Speed is gone?

EDIT - comments from Dr Mario imply Vettel will be racing for Toro Rosso:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/61232

I gues we'll have to wait for a press release from Toro Rosso themselves. But following recent events, it appears that Speed is out.

ljakse · 31 Jul 2007, 10:02 (Ref:1977036)

A bit more on F1 live, but I still don't understand if he is going to start racing "with immediate effect"?

Marbot · 31 Jul 2007, 10:04 (Ref:1977038)

Article says that Speed has gone.

ljakse · 31 Jul 2007, 10:11 (Ref:1977043)

Quote:

Originally Posted by martyn bott

Article says that Speed has gone.

Which one?

Down F0rce · 31 Jul 2007, 10:11 (Ref:1977044)

Tost should be the one forced out, not Speed. I guess it's done now though.

EDIT - Now official on the Toro Rosso site.

http://www.redbullf1.com/scuderia-to...7964-230764838

Marbot · 31 Jul 2007, 10:15 (Ref:1977053)

Quote:

Originally Posted by ljakse

Which one?

Errr.....this one!

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/61233

JohnSSC · 31 Jul 2007, 10:30 (Ref:1977068)

Well that jumbles things up a good bit!

Will Vettel be at STR for this season only? Or, is he at STR to get some race miles to prep him for a race seat at BMW in 2008?

Whither Scott Speed?

More importantly, does this mean it will be Nick and Kubica at BMW in 2008?

Rather than clarifying things it seems the water becomes ever-muddier...

Last2LiftOff · 31 Jul 2007, 10:34 (Ref:1977073)

Quote:

Originally Posted by ljakse

but I still don't understand if he is going to start racing "with immediate effect"?

Other than the "with immediate effect" in two of the articles Ljakse?

That's surprising, thanks for posting it. Are congratulations in order? Not sure how much of a prize racing for STR is frankly. Obviously BMW was not an option for him next year or, did he sign-on to do the rest of this year only?

Instead of watching him race a field full of cars, we're now blessed with being able to watch him race a teammate in an equally crappy car. If I were any more excited about the news, I'd have to be physically restrained.

Last2LiftOff · 31 Jul 2007, 10:41 (Ref:1977083)

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnSSC

Will Vettel be at STR for this season only? Or, is he at STR to get some race miles to prep him for a race seat at BMW in 2008?

Yeah, what he said.

That's got to be it John. Otherwise this makes no sense for Sebastian whatsoever IMO.

Marbot · 31 Jul 2007, 10:49 (Ref:1977092)

Heidfeld possibly at Toyota next season,Bourdais at STR with Liuzzi.IMO of course.

BootsOntheSide · 31 Jul 2007, 11:19 (Ref:1977125)

Unfortunte end to Speed's F1 career, but Vettel looks like the better bet. I can see him outperforming Liuzzi immediately. It'd be a shame if Nick goes to Toyota for next year though, BMW look likely to be faster for the forseeable future.

cptkablamo · 31 Jul 2007, 11:21 (Ref:1977130)

All I know is that F1 would have been far better off with out Red Bull Jr...

Marbot · 31 Jul 2007, 11:23 (Ref:1977132)

It's the timing that's interesting as well.This is the last day to take up the option on Bourdais.

Marbot · 31 Jul 2007, 11:25 (Ref:1977138)

Quote:

Originally Posted by cptkablamo

All I know is that F1 would have been far better off with out Red Bull Jr...

Bring back Minardi!

Who seem to be doing rather well in Champcars.

Sev · 31 Jul 2007, 11:37 (Ref:1977151)

I think Kubica and Heidfeld will be feeling a lot happier after this. I can't see Vettel leaving STR until 2009 at least.

Speed never deserved to be in F1, and he was too arrogant as well. Good riddance I say.

The most interesting thing in this is how will Liuzzi perform against Vettel. There's now two very hotly tipped Germans at the back of the grid.

MrTTraces · 31 Jul 2007, 11:41 (Ref:1977155)

Quote:

Originally Posted by martyn bott

Bring back Minardi!

Who seem to be doing rather well in Champcars.

I second that one.... What about Forti as well?....... I'll get mi coat...

Sad for Speed but i'm sure he'll land a good drive in the US indy or champ, he'll have more time to get some mileage under his belt as well without the burden of F1.

Now i've said that watch him get unveiled as a Williams test driver

Seriously thou I reckon they sacked the wrong one. Liuzzi was poorer of the drivers.

Marbot · 31 Jul 2007, 11:48 (Ref:1977159)

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrTTraces

Seriously thou I reckon they sacked the wrong one. Liuzzi was poorer of the drivers.

I always got the impression that Liuzzi could drive the car faster than it was willing to go (witness Thursday practice at Monaco).Whereas Speed was driving as fast as he could.

ljakse · 31 Jul 2007, 12:04 (Ref:1977172)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Last2LiftOff

Other than the "with immediate effect" in two of the articles Ljakse?

At the time of my post, Grandprix.com's entire article was:

Vettel joins Toro Rosso
Sebastian Vettel has joined Scuderia Toro Rosso with immediate effect.

...

Pro Racer · 31 Jul 2007, 12:27 (Ref:1977195)

well not unexpected really, next out at the end of the season will be Liuzzi with Bourdais comming in.

Sodemo · 31 Jul 2007, 12:29 (Ref:1977196)

Now all they need to do is change that awful livery.

Sev · 31 Jul 2007, 12:32 (Ref:1977199)

I really like their livery.

Personally, I'd say more:

All they need to do now is get a good car

FPV GTHO · 31 Jul 2007, 12:42 (Ref:1977210)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sev

Speed never deserved to be in F1, and he was too arrogant as well. Good riddance I say.

Its been the same Scott Speed this year that finished behind only Rosberg and Kovalainen in GP2 in 2005, and head of the same Piquet Jr who was running down Hamilton last year. STR simply doesnt look like the right environment with Berger and Tost at the helm to develop young drivers. Almost like theyre a backmarker team that things theyve got what it takes to be at the front. I think after awhile Red Bull will pull out, by most accounts Speed is still in favour with Helmut Marko and Matesitch.

Maybe some good will come from this, maybe Liuzzi will be spurred on moreso by Vettel than he was with Speed.

mp356a · 31 Jul 2007, 13:29 (Ref:1977249)

Quote:

Originally Posted by martyn bott

Bring back Minardi!

Who seem to be doing rather well in Champcars.

...and lovin' it!

The Saint · 31 Jul 2007, 13:29 (Ref:1977250)

I really don’t understand how RedBull allowed the raging lunatic Austrian (Berger) to do this. Speed was the end product of the Red Bull search for an American GP star program. Red Bull have invested 20 odd million dollars into this kid, and like a bad experiment, dump him in the trash can. It makes not sense at all.

andy_b · 31 Jul 2007, 13:46 (Ref:1977256)

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Saint

I really don’t understand how RedBull allowed the raging lunatic Austrian (Berger) to do this. Speed was the end product of the Red Bull search for an American GP star program. Red Bull have invested 20 odd million dollars into this kid, and like a bad experiment, dump him in the trash can. It makes not sense at all.

if he was the best end product, then maybe all concerned decided it didnt work out.

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