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The first 2014 turbo engine breaks cover
http://www.racer.com/mercedes-reveal...rticle/275729/
"There will be a new quality to the racing, too. It will edge toward a thinking drivers' formula to get the most from the car and the available fuel energy. "The engines will also deliver much more torque – especially on the exit of the corners. Cars with more power than grip coming out of the corners – that is something that we all enjoy. "They will also put F1 back at the cutting edge of new technology, which is what the fans want." -Andy Cowell, MD of MBHPE. Note the typing error, which claims the engines will rev to 125,000rpm! Credit to Racer magazine's website for the article. |
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Indeed. Autosport also have an article worth reading.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/105081 Sounds promising. And yes, the turbo engines will have much more torque than the outgoing V8s. |
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No, it's not a typo, it's the turbo running at 125,000rpm!!
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The large increase in torque should in theory create better racing, what with the cars potentially sliding about a bit more, or at least until the teams get on top of the problem! |
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Perhaps the most significant thing about the new engines.
Cowell said: "Today it is difficult to be quick without KERS - for 2014 it will be impossible to go racing without ERS." |
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Does Marussia have KERS now? |
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Not the first by any stretch - Renault revealed its engine in October last year!
http://www.racecar-engineering.com/n...014-f1-engine/ I think rendering from merc is quite heavy on styling rather than real metal bits but thats what you would expect at this stage! |
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Solid-state battery research will be pretty frantic leading up to the 2014 season. The technology is apparently on the verge of being ready for consumer products, so I'm guessing the manufacturers will be going all in on research there. Benefits include: much lighter, much more stable, film-like substance rather than a liquid, much higher energy capacity. So basically, literally everything an F1 engine builder would want in their 2014 engine. Whoever gets them first (assuming the FIA doesn't ban them because they're imbeciles) will save a few kilograms to use for ballast. Except...the FIA mandates a minimum center of gravity for engines anyways, right? Sigh.
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EDIT: http://phys.org/news/2012-09-toyota-...uperionic.html Anybody know what kind of batteries Toyota is using for their LeMans program? Their SS batteries not due till 2015, but I'd guess an F1 or LM program would get them earlier, with prototypes already running. |
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Why did FIA ban capacitors as energy storage in F1. Certainly they are most efficient in storing energy over a relatively short time, and need to store at high voltage, but it would appear Mazda at least have been able to use it in road going KERS application.
By the way it should be stressed that we are now talking about ERS not KERS. KERS is limited to recycling kinetic energy instead of wasting it to heat in braking. ERS allows recycling of energy from any waste source, engine temp. exhaust gas pressure etc.as well as kinetic. A much wider opportunity. I'm still not clear on the output use of the ERS. Is it only measured when output is to drive wheels, or is it always counted as ERS use for whatever it is used? For instance is ERS used to spin up turbochargers to avoid lag, or used to drive accessories like pumps and alternators counted in the ERS allowance. Anyone delved into the minutae of the FIA specs enough to answer? |
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There was a time when certain car manufacturers were spending untold sums of money on competing with each other to see how low in the crankcase they could get a crankshaft in an F1 engine, and therefore a lower centre of gravity. It's hard to know what benefit this would have for the majority of road cars. We are now told that Honda are laying off 1300 workers from their car plant in Swindon, UK....hmmmm. |
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I'm not sure if this is relevant or not, but I've been using Lithium-Polymer batteries in my RC Helicopters and Planes for some time now. They are far better than the very 'yesterday' Lithium-Ion batteries that I once used. But they are also a little bit more...unstable. |
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I'm not sure about that, but if you can run the turbo up whilst delivering the maximum allowable bhp in the allotted time, then 'good for you' is my opinion on that.
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Without things like variable appertures (which appear to be banned) the lack of exhaust pressure at that time to drive the turbo creates turbo lag. Currently running fuel through the exhaust system as a sort of afterburner gives the same effect, but of course under the new regs. fuel (rightly) becomes a scarce commodity. That, and driving pumps and alternators is the use of recovered energy that I am querying as counting, or not counting in the ER totals. Not rocket science, but working it within the rules could be the problem |
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I would hope that even the 2014 regulations allow some slack with regard to what you can do besides delivering the maximum power permitted to the wheels in the allotted time.
Having looked through the technical regs for the engines for 2014, I can't see anything in there that wouldn't allow you to do what you will within those regulations. They aren't as restrictive as they might at first appear to be. I think that the quote: "motor will be put back into motor sport" is quite accurate. |
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