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7 Jan 2003, 16:12 (Ref:466403)
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The IndyCar Series!
today, IRL president Tony George announced that thier racing series will now be known as "The IndyCar Series"
The Indy Racing League name is now to be used for the sanctioning body. this was totally out of the blue for me, did anyone know about it? Also, do you think one of you lovely admins could change the name of this forum, in light of this change pleeeese? 
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7 Jan 2003, 16:22 (Ref:466414)
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We knew that neither side was allowed to use 'IndyCars' until 31st December 2002, and Tony George owns the Indy name, so its no surprise that he's using this in his attmept to mislead the US public into thinking that this is the true racing spectacle.
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7 Jan 2003, 18:07 (Ref:466500)
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Indy Racing League Indy Car Series is the new name. The IRL becomes the sanctioning body for the Indy Car Series and the Infinity Pro Series. Sounds pretty clever to me.
This will help to resolve the misundestanding of what drivers are in the 500 and what drivers are not. Casual US fans will understand this. Now if CART schedules races in May there will be no CART drivers at Indy in 2003, furthering the divide. If Haas has a lot of Toyota engines he might want to race at Indy as well? Who knows, but Pook doesn't seem in any position to say no to him. CART's popularity derived from drivers such as Rutherford, Sneva, Foyt, Mears, Fitapaldi, Unsers, Andretti's... Why were these drivers so popular? They won the Indianapolis 500. If AJ Foyt won 4 Road races in Cleveland or Portland instead of 4 Indy 500's - no one would America would care. Most US racing fans also would not care if CART ceased to exist. If the Indianapolis 500 ceased to exist they would take notice. |
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7 Jan 2003, 18:22 (Ref:466513)
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Well, judging by the president you elected in a semi-fair ballot, America isn't the world's most intellectually advanced nation, so that's no surprise.
Most of the guys you mention won the Indycar title (be it USAC or CART) before the 500 anyway. Montoya was a hero in the US in 1999, not after the 2000 500. Zanardi's popularity was not impinged on by the fact that he never raced the 500, instead spending the month winning road races. Most of the guys with an interest in the 500 and IRL have already gone, so I doubt there would be much interest, outside Haas and maybe Adrian Fernandez, in runing the 500 anyway from within Champcars. |
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7 Jan 2003, 18:48 (Ref:466532)
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Shall the board name be changed to IRL IndyCar Series? It should...
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7 Jan 2003, 23:06 (Ref:466803)
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interesting , I guess it was bound to happen , TG owns the name , its a name that makes people sit up and take notice , so of course he was always going to use it.
as for changing the forum name I will look into it |
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7 Jan 2003, 23:26 (Ref:466825)
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the forum name has now been changed to "the IRL Indycar series forum"
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In Loving memory of Peter Brock I hate it when im driving in a straight line & Seb Vettel runs into me GO THE MIGHTY HAWKS !!!! |
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8 Jan 2003, 00:12 (Ref:466885)
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I could post something negative about the IRL here but I won't
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8 Jan 2003, 07:31 (Ref:467046)
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I could see a name change of some sort coming when the Infiniti Pro Series started and the IRL was listed sanctioning body for the class. Makes sense as these cars do race at Indy, and good to see the 'Indycar' name in use again.
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9 Jan 2003, 20:04 (Ref:468769)
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we give the world mikey jackson and the supreams.... and you cheap shot us.... it's a national outrage. |
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13 Jan 2003, 16:08 (Ref:473157)
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I love the name INDYCAR , im not sure who morally has the right to use the name , but i think it is a great ttitle for series in the USA.........it kinda holds some wieght .
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13 Jan 2003, 17:47 (Ref:473256)
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Well. It's appropiate. The race that makes the whole championship move is the Indy 500, so they are Indycars...
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14 Jan 2003, 06:19 (Ref:473629)
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Not to be rude but I think it's too bad that TG decided to use it. To me, IndyCar used to mean the top of the stack, the fastest race cars in the world. It doesn't mean that any more. Bummer.
 Oh well, change is inevitable!
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15 Jan 2003, 19:17 (Ref:475445)
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Not trying to start an arguement but as a racing fan do you personally consider an Indy 500 win better than a win at Michigan or Fontana? JV's '95 indy victory was great because he came from 2 laps down and stuck it to the man. Other than that it was no better than his other 3 wins that year. Last edited by Snrub; 15 Jan 2003 at 19:19. |
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15 Jan 2003, 22:30 (Ref:475678)
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It all depends on points of view and opinion. Any win in F1 or CART (road courses) is better than the Indy 500. Why? It has right turns.
Quote by Barry Green after his driver Franchitti had won at Surfers Paradise'99: "Mate, I've won the Indy 500 but this is better" |
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16 Jan 2003, 00:58 (Ref:475801)
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I guess it comes down to drivers preference. The stakes for teams and sponsors to perform at Indianapolis is huge. The Purse is bigger than any other race and the media scrutiny is intense. Traditions like 4 days of qualifying, and 4 lap qualifying runs pose unique challenges to drivers. The intensity builds up till its finally released on race day.
I would say a driver who overcomes all this to win exibits a certain grace under pressure and is mentally tough to say the least. Snrub you mention JV's 1995 victory. JV's win was extraordinary but it would not have happened if Vasser didn't crash while leading and Scott Goodyear passed the pace car under the yellow flag. Vasser and Goodyear could not deal with the pressure, Villeneuve could. I am not surprised Green said that. Alot of people spit on the 500 during the civil war, most have come back to the speedway with their tail beneath their legs. And I doubt Barry Green would spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to protest a race at Surfurs Paradise. |
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16 Jan 2003, 03:07 (Ref:475881)
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Barry Green is from New Zealand also. So for him winning Surfers is the next best thing to winning the Australian Grand Prix. And the old Tasman series is long dead.
To Americans Indy is the Mecca. I grew up on road racing, big Jim Hall fan. But Indy was even then the one oval race I cared about. Indycar is the name fans associate with. Champcars is a name that takes some explanation, but was what Mario, Big Al, Sneva, Mears and Johncock called them. It is bizzarre to separate them. But I think this is temporary. CART has perhaps 15 months of cash. Then oblivion. Even if it doesn't go extinc, it is fairly obvious that Pook intends to largely abandon the US. A feeder series for F1 by definition will be Eurocentric. A London HQ seems inevitable. Such semantics are sily. I am looking forward to watching some great racing on the Indycar circuit this year. Sheckter, de Ferran, Hornish, Andretti, Brack, Sharp, Kanaan, Castroneves, Unser, Rice, Franchitti, et al. WOW! |
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16 Jan 2003, 07:20 (Ref:475947)
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I think a part of Barry's emotion that day was the fact that his whole family was there that weekend...
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16 Jan 2003, 10:08 (Ref:476024)
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16 Jan 2003, 14:21 (Ref:476236)
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Oh please.
There are a few million folks in America who could tell you at the drop of a hat one race that JV has won. If one out of every thousand of those people could name another race he has won I'd be astounded. The Indy 500 will still be running and drawing 400,000 fans to the Speedway each May long after those other races are little more than fleeting memories. Yeah, and Barry Green never let politics cloud his comments. Dan |
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16 Jan 2003, 18:20 (Ref:476419)
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Well. The fact is the Indy 500 was here long before we were born and will be here long after we're dead...
But maybe the problem now is that most "new" American fans regard Daytona or Bristol as the race of the year, which is not good for either CART or the IRL. |
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16 Jan 2003, 19:19 (Ref:476502)
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I agree Jordi.
It may actually be a good thing if Pook takes CART HQ to Europe as a replacement series for F3000 (the current F1 feeder). Americans will then focus on one OW series again. Every extra day the split remains is a victory for NASCAR. |
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17 Jan 2003, 00:32 (Ref:476762)
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yes get pbtccwspbf out of the states - let it play second fiddle to F1 in europe.
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17 Jan 2003, 10:53 (Ref:477021)
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Absolutely, but you can have Greg Murphy back now
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