FIA GT World Championship 2012

I Rosputnik · 4 Jun 2011, 13:45 (Ref:2891031)

Talk about developments, this seems like a good way of keeping the championship alive. Although I wonder if we might see this crazy 2 cars per manufacturer rule being enforced...

Nissan must be pleased to hear this.

NaBUru38 · 4 Jun 2011, 14:09 (Ref:2891045)

It was an obvious move to let GT3 cars in the world championship. Grids will hopefully grow. Now, performance balance will be even harder to enforce.

Bonanza · 4 Jun 2011, 14:18 (Ref:2891050)

As far as I can see, the 2 car team thing might actually be beneficial, providing there are enough manufacturers. Ferrari, mercedes, BMW, Audi, Porsche, maybe even Spyker or Jaguar will be able to join the fray along with possible returns of Maserati and Saleen. Along with the current GT1 grid, it could make for a mouth watering line up whilst putting less pressure on the manufacturers to have two 2-car teams. Whilst this is wishful thinking it's certainly plausible, despite the inevitibly tedious performance balancing saga that will ensue.

MitchZ06 · 4 Jun 2011, 14:22 (Ref:2891053)

Would it be at all possible to build a GT1/2/3 'hybrid' that could run in the series? Say a GT3 style car with GT1 aero, etc?

alexkiller8 · 4 Jun 2011, 16:24 (Ref:2891098)

basicly the fia GT champ has become the new dutch champ... all kinds of car mixed....

Marcel ten Caat · 4 Jun 2011, 23:37 (Ref:2891256)

?

alexkiller8 · 5 Jun 2011, 00:28 (Ref:2891268)

!

Senna-F1God · 5 Jun 2011, 13:15 (Ref:2891467)

So, if I understand correctly...

The FIA GT and the ILMC are gonna merge next year and will race finally alltogether???

In God´s Sake...that´s just Common Sense!

Victor_RO · 5 Jun 2011, 13:24 (Ref:2891471)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Senna-F1God

So, if I understand correctly...

The FIA GT and the ILMC are gonna merge next year and will race finally alltogether???

No.

I Rosputnik · 5 Jun 2011, 18:29 (Ref:2891623)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Senna-F1God

So, if I understand correctly...

The FIA GT and the ILMC are gonna merge next year and will race finally alltogether???

In God´s Sake...that´s just Common Sense!

Simply put, in 2012 we will have two sportscars world championships. The FIA GT World Championship (GTWC) is a world championship for sprint based sportscar races using GT1, GT2 2009 and GT3 run by the SRO. The FIA World Endurance Championship (WEC) is a world championship for endurance based sportscar races using LMP and GTE cars run by the ACO.

In short, GTWC is for your sprint runners and WEC is for your marathon runners.

**chunterer** · 6 Jun 2011, 18:57 (Ref:2892371)

Got to be a good chance for lurid who does what, who goes where discussions now surely?

Ratel will clearly want things like the SLS, 458 and R8 in with the Lambo (presumably Reiter will do a Aventador), Aston, Nissan (got their bets hedged with a GT1 and GT3 version....) and Corvette (see Nissan but they have GT1, 2 AND 3 models IIUC!!). BMW can run the GT2/GTE thingy or, that nifty MZ4 device?

Where Porsche fits into this i'm not sure?

I reckon a new Jag XKRS would be a great addition and Prodrive could develop a new Vantage V12 to replace the DBR9?

So a few weeks ago when Ratel said he expects several new makes in a his world series next season, he knew this announcment was coming and we didn't!

Can't wait to see who, what enters and what new cars may materialise!

Pandamasque · 6 Jun 2011, 19:18 (Ref:2892382)

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Originally Posted by Bonanza

As far as I can see, the 2 car team thing might actually be beneficial, providing there are enough manufacturers. Ferrari, mercedes, BMW, Audi, Porsche, maybe even Spyker or Jaguar will be able to join the fray along with possible returns of Maserati and Saleen. Along with the current GT1 grid, it could make for a mouth watering line up whilst putting less pressure on the manufacturers to have two 2-car teams. Whilst this is wishful thinking it's certainly plausible, despite the inevitibly tedious performance balancing saga that will ensue.

I'm not sure Saleen's homologation didn't expire this year let alone 2012.

mirkob · 7 Jun 2011, 07:11 (Ref:2892607)

Ratel wants 12 cars, I think:

01 Nissan (GT-R GT1/GT3)
02 Ford Matech (GT GT1/GT3)
03 Lamborghini (Murcielago GT1, Gallardo GT3)
04 Ferrari (F430 GT2, 458 GT3)
05 Porsche (RSR GT2 , GT3-R GT3)
06 Corvette (P&M C6R GT1, P&M Z06 GT2, Callaway Z06 GT3)
07 Aston Martin (DBR9 GT1, Vantage V8 GT2, Vantage V12 GT3)
08 BMW (M3 GT2, Z4 GT3)
09 Audi (R8 LMS GT3)
10 Mercedes (SLS GT3)
11 McLaren (MP412C GT3)
12 ???

MitchZ06 · 7 Jun 2011, 07:33 (Ref:2892613)

This is how I see it going...

01 Nissan (GT-R GT1)
02 Ford Matech (GT GT1)
03 Lamborghini (Aventador GT1)
04 Ferrari (F458 GT2)
05 Porsche (RSR GT2)
06 Corvette (P&M C6.R GT2)
07 Aston Martin (Vantage V12 GT2)
08 BMW (M3 GT2)
09 Audi (R8 LMS GT3)
10 Mercedes (SLS GT3)
11 McLaren (MP412C GT3)
12 Lotus (Evora GT2)

Bonanza · 7 Jun 2011, 07:53 (Ref:2892632)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pandamasque

I'm not sure Saleen's homologation didn't expire this year let alone 2012.

possibly, though it seems to me SRO are always open to extending homologations, didn't Maserati and Aston have their homologations extended for 2010, let alone 2011?*

*I may be wrong because I am no expert on sports car racing, but something like that.

Marcel ten Caat · 7 Jun 2011, 09:09 (Ref:2892668)

Corvette, Aston, Saleen, Maserati GT1 won't be eligible in 2012.

Jameson · 7 Jun 2011, 10:36 (Ref:2892706)

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Originally Posted by Stranger

Corvette, Aston, Saleen, Maserati GT1 won't be eligible in 2012.

With their current GT1 cars no, but I guess Corvette and Aston could easily do something with their GT2 or GT3 cars, no?

Bonanza · 7 Jun 2011, 11:15 (Ref:2892722)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jameson

With their current GT1 cars no, but I guess Corvette and Aston could easily do something with their GT2 or GT3 cars, no?

well if other GT2/GT3 manufacturers are allowed to, you can bet that Aston and Corvette can too

helgi · 7 Jun 2011, 11:17 (Ref:2892724)

I've read that only 2009spec GT2 cars are allowed. As for Corvettes only Callaway could produce some GT3.

JAG · 7 Jun 2011, 16:48 (Ref:2892952)

Quote:

Originally Posted by MitchZ06

This is how I see it going...

01 Nissan (GT-R GT1)
02 Ford Matech (GT GT1)
03 Lamborghini (Aventador GT1)
04 Ferrari (F458 GT2)
05 Porsche (RSR GT2)
06 Corvette (P&M C6.R GT2)
07 Aston Martin (Vantage V12 GT2)
08 BMW (M3 GT2)
09 Audi (R8 LMS GT3)
10 Mercedes (SLS GT3)
11 McLaren (MP412C GT3)
12 Lotus (Evora GT2)

Question is are grids down this year due to lack of cars, or interest.

You'd need 10-12 teams, ATM some are running four cars, lastly if cars need modifying, that's added development and spares expensive, costs that cannot be covered by customer sales.

**chunterer** · 7 Jun 2011, 18:21 (Ref:2893002)

Quote:

Originally Posted by helgi

I've read that only 2009spec GT2 cars are allowed. As for Corvettes only Callaway could produce some GT3.

I thought the GT2 Vette first saw the light of day in 2009, but didn't race until last year?

hondafan37 · 7 Jun 2011, 18:22 (Ref:2893003)

Quote:

Originally Posted by MitchZ06

This is how I see it going...

01 Nissan (GT-R GT1)
02 Ford Matech (GT GT1)
03 Lamborghini (Aventador GT1)
04 Ferrari (F458 GT2)
05 Porsche (RSR GT2)
06 Corvette (P&M C6.R GT2)
07 Aston Martin (Vantage V12 GT2)
08 BMW (M3 GT2)
09 Audi (R8 LMS GT3)
10 Mercedes (SLS GT3)
11 McLaren (MP412C GT3)
12 Lotus (Evora GT2)

The GT2 cars only will be allowed the 2009spec.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mirkob
Ratel wants 12 cars, I think:

01 Nissan (GT-R GT1/GT3)
02 Ford Matech (GT GT1/GT3)
03 Lamborghini (Murcielago GT1, Gallardo GT3)
04 Ferrari (F430 GT2, 458 GT3)
05 Porsche (RSR GT2 , GT3-R GT3)
06 Corvette (P&M C6R GT1, P&M Z06 GT2, Callaway Z06 GT3)
07 Aston Martin (DBR9 GT1, Vantage V8 GT2, Vantage V12 GT3)
08 BMW (M3 GT2, Z4 GT3)
09 Audi (R8 LMS GT3)
10 Mercedes (SLS GT3)
11 McLaren (MP412C GT3)
12 ???

This is the dream grid and completely possible.
Number 12 mark can be:
Alpina B6, Spyker C8, Morgan GT3, Ascari GT3, Maserati MC12, Saleen S7, or maybe Lexus LFA

cmk · 7 Jun 2011, 20:16 (Ref:2893058)

Why would Lambo (Reiter) produce a new GT1-spec Aventador if they could run a GT3 car in this series and many others for little additional development cost? Even building a new GT3 to replace the current Gallardo family still seems like a better investment.

As a separate point, the 2009-spec GT2 car thing is bizarre to me. Why would manufacturers want to be involved running cars that they don't even sell anymore (eg. Ferrari 430)? I guess the independent developers might be (see Matech Fords) but the GT2 cars are largely developed by factories or under contract from them...

helgi · 7 Jun 2011, 20:35 (Ref:2893069)

Quote:

Originally Posted by chunterer

I thought the GT2 Vette first saw the light of day in 2009, but didn't race until last year?

Ah, my memory doesn't serve me right. They got some racing in 2009 in the last part of ALMS season. But the team that wants to put a GT2 Corvette should be very rich I think. Last year I've read somewhere at 10-tenths that Chevy and BMW are very expensive cars. As for M3 - was there a GT2 version of it in 2009? I know there was a special ALMS version with more complex rear suspension. All in all SRO should give a list of possible entries - today it's just rumours and thoughts.

Deleted · 7 Jun 2011, 21:10 (Ref:2893087)

O.K. I've now had a good think about the whole "proposal", and you know what? Screw it. Really. I hope Ratel gets absolutely zero interest, and after the "summer deadline" the championship buries itself as quickly as possible.

And this comes from a person who was (and still is) a huge fan of old FIA GT Championship, the one with multiple classes, proper cars and longer races. And while I may not like what Stephane has done to the series since he received the world championship status, the new format hasn't been a (huge) disaster either. But c'mon, now they're trying to sell us a product that just screams FAKE in every turn it takes.

I can live with SROs constant, constant, constant performance balancing, but when in addition you start to make BoP tweaks between the classes, it's starts to become just ridiculous. And when you add GT3 class which is already a big mess with no proper regulations or rules, you've got a real catastrophe in your hands. I can already see half of the teams complaining. If you can accurately predict the race results just by looking at FIAs fresh BoP charts, then what's the point...

IF the championship goes ahead, the names I might expect to see are...

GT1 Nissan
GT1 Lambo
GT1 Ford
GT2 Porsche
GT2 Ferrari
GT2 Aston
GT3 everyone, but who cares

Someone might be tempting to bring a GT3 vette or two (if they dare to face SROs anti-Corvette performance balancing), but no-one will be bringing a GT2 due to the downsized engine and lack of available chassises.

While the GT2 BMW might fit your 2009 deadline, you won't see any entered as they're only run by the factory team and cars aren't exactly FIA legal either. Unless you want a special class for them...

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmk

Why would manufacturers want to be involved running cars that they don't even sell anymore (eg. Ferrari 430)?

Seeing as you can't enter factory-supported cars anyway, does it really matter... the only ones interested will be the privateers.

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