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9 Nov 2003, 21:52 (Ref:1546411) | #1 | ||
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I just loved the F1R REASON why a certain driver did not appear in his BT35 BDA at the Nurburgring round of the F2 C/ship 29-4-1973. Entrant R. James .. Drv. Roy James , DNS. driver in prison. Bryan. Last edited by John Turner; 14 Mar 2006 at 09:54. Reason: Thread breakdown alteration |
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9 Nov 2003, 22:59 (Ref:1546412) | #2 | ||
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Well Roy James had a good taste in cars didn't he? Perhaps he should have stayed away from trains.
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9 Nov 2003, 23:26 (Ref:1546413) | #3 | ||
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The only problem with the Roy James car is that although it is entered , as it did not appear for obvious reasons , F1R could therefore not ' beaver ' the chassis no. , so I don't whose it used to be. Bryan. Last edited by John Turner; 14 Mar 2006 at 09:55. Reason: Thread breakdown alteration |
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10 Nov 2003, 06:42 (Ref:1546414) | #4 | ||
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I suspect the 1973 R James is not Roy - he was put away in 1963 (or 1964) so it seems a but unlikely he'd file an entry for a race from his prison cell. Wasn't there a Reg James racing F3 or Atlantic about that time?
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10 Nov 2003, 08:18 (Ref:1546415) | #5 | ||
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I think Reg James is involved with an engineering company in Manor Road, Woking. I forget the company name, but it has certainly done NC machining for Ron Tauranac in the past.
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10 Nov 2003, 10:01 (Ref:1546416) | #6 | ||
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David thanks for the Reg/Roy bit, crikey was it that long ago? I'll stay away from trains in the future.( O level history was a bit of a struggle too)
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10 Nov 2003, 10:34 (Ref:1546417) | #7 | ||
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The F1R report re. R. James , def. stated Roy . I have just found an adv. 4-1-1973 for an Atlantic / F3 Brabham BT28/35 for sale , as driven by Reg James. F1R typo. Two more bits of info. The Fuller car I reported in Guyana is described in a late 1972 race report as Tom Belso's 1971 F3 fitted with a Vegantune T/Cam. Also a Trinidad driver , Andrew Cheeks has the ex. Tim Schenken/ Sports Motors BT28 , fitted with a T/cam. Schenken's F3 BT28 is BT28-23 and is now in Australia , and has been for about 12 years, came out of the U.K. Bryan. |
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23 Jan 2004, 21:05 (Ref:1546591) | #8 | ||
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I see I'm pretty late in getting involved here. First a brief intro:
My name is David Irwin, I owned a restoration shop, Lime Rock Motors for 15 years in Connecticut. I've restored about 15 Brabhams, have owned several and have vintage raced since 1989. Recently moved to Virginia, bought some property where I'm putting up a small shop (3200 sq. ft.) while I work for ProtoType Technology Group restoring vintage racing BMW's owneds by BMW of N.A. I've had contact with: BT28-18 UK to Fred Harris 1995, F3 downdraft/MK8, sold to Steve Rees 1995?, sold to current owner Gene Owen 1998? Last edited by John Turner; 14 Mar 2006 at 09:58. Reason: Thread breakdown alteration |
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31 Jan 2004, 09:19 (Ref:1546601) | #9 | ||
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With Ian Rimmer in the U.K.
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21 Mar 2004, 23:00 (Ref:1546653) | #10 | ||
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I found a 1970 entry
Wayne T. Mitchell (San Diego, CA) - 1 race in "BT29", described as BT28/29 at another race) - #53 Allen Last edited by John Turner; 14 Mar 2006 at 10:19. Reason: Thread breakdown alteration |
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21 Mar 2004, 23:04 (Ref:1546654) | #11 | ||
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Maybe Wayne Mitchell wasn't the only one with an upgraded BT21 or BT28.
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24 Mar 2004, 09:04 (Ref:1546656) | #12 | |
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About the BT28s ! Lets start again and try and sort them out > I have lots of gaps. I'm sure by the time I have sorted out my chassis list out someone will have started the ball rolling. Do you think we should start another thread from scratch ?? (We have now! -JT)
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24 Mar 2004, 12:49 (Ref:1546657) | #13 | ||
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Chassis numbers known in period 1: March 1969 Tim Schenken. 1970 Jacky Berenger 2: Mike Beuttler, 1970 Jim Edwards 3 Jean-Pierre Cassegrain, retained 1970 4 Ulf Svensson retained 1970? 5 Keith Jupp 8 Not known till 1971 then Tom Belso for F3 and Atlantic, used early 72 9 Thorodsson, retained 1970. 1971 Sandy Shephard to Stan Matthews, 1972 Mo Harness 12: Jeff Uren hire car 16: Bev Bond 18: Not known till 1970, then Alan Harvey. 1971 Tony Huggett 20 Replacement car for Beuttler, used two races only. 1970 Mike Stow, retained early 71 then to Alan Joy. 1972 to Spencer Elton then to Dick Barker for Atlantic 23 Replacement car for Schenken late season. 1970 Keith Wright, still for sale by him Maay 71 33 1970 Torsten Palm 40 1970 Bob Wolleck 42 1970 Vic Preston Chris |
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24 Mar 2004, 17:29 (Ref:1546659) | #15 | ||
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Shepherd came over and raced in British F3 in 1971
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24 Mar 2004, 17:44 (Ref:1546660) | #16 | |
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28-6 Andy Sutcliffe. 28-10Sold new Sweden.28-11 Dr Erlich. 28-14 Bob Wolleck. 28-15 Sweden.28-16 Tony Trimmer.28-17 Harry Stiller,Peter Hull later Kidsley and Squires on hills with special 750cc BDA.28-19 Dick James.28-21 John Gillmister. 28-22 Italy.28-24 Italy.28-25 Team Airo.28-26 Harry Stiller.28-27 Switzerland. 28-28.France.28-30 Sweden.28-32 Sweden.28-33.Sweden (troberg) 28-34 Stubbs
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24 Mar 2004, 17:47 (Ref:1546661) | #17 | |
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28-35Tom Belso ??28-38.Italy.28-40 Bob Wolleck.28-41 Italy. 28-42 EastAfrica.28-43 Sweden.
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25 Mar 2004, 04:58 (Ref:1546662) | #18 | ||
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How many BT28's were built in 1969? Or put another way what was the first chassis number built in 1970?
If #23 was a 1969 car & #33 a 1970 production, I assume it lies between the two. Andrew |
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25 Mar 2004, 08:23 (Ref:1546663) | #19 | |
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Andrew. The total production run was 42 cars (no 13) the last chassis being No 43. The 1970 series starting at 26.Although as usual some 1970 series cars carried 69 series Arch Motors Nos eg BT28-30 has AM69-43.
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25 Mar 2004, 12:34 (Ref:1546664) | #20 | ||
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Ted's extensive list means that we can extend and tidy up some histories for cars where I had ownership trails but not chassis numbers:
16: If this was Trimmer's RCI car in 1970, in 1971 it goes to Brian McGuire and would seem to be the BT28 used in Libre in 1973 by Geoff Lambert 25: Although built 1969 I think this debuts early 1970 with Alan McCully as driver, [entered by AIRO]. 1971 Alan Jones, then 1974-75 the car shared by Paul Butler and Evan Clements in Atlantic and Libre races. 6: John Gillmeister has a BT28 in 1970 F3 and 1971 Atlantic that is described as ex Sutcliffe, so could be this car. The complication is that Gillmeister has chassis 21 in 1969, so what happened to that? Roger Hurst, who regularly attends this forum, used to run Gillmeister. Any memories Roger? Chris |
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25 Mar 2004, 12:36 (Ref:1546665) | #21 | ||
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Chassis 17
Ted, you say it went to Peter Hull. Was this in 1971. I have Hull's car that year as ex Richard Scott/John Kendall in 1970, but didn't know the first owner. Chris |
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28-23 now with Robert Foster, NSW. (all we need is BT30-10 here for Tim's trifecta) |
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26 Mar 2004, 08:44 (Ref:1546667) | #23 | |
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CHRIS. I have 17 as 1970 Harry Stiller Raced by Kendall and Scott.1971 London and Derby Motor Auctions/Peter Hull. 1972 Bob Shellard F3 mainly in Europe . 1974 bought by Kidsley and Squires. ANDREW where did 28-23 come from ????
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26 Mar 2004, 08:46 (Ref:1546668) | #24 | |
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ANDREW. Next time you see 28-23 Id love the AM No off the back ,or if you are talking to the owner get him to contact me.
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26 Mar 2004, 08:53 (Ref:1546669) | #25 | |
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CHRIS. The Tom Belso car. You reckon 8 I think 35.Also the Trimmer car I have it as 16 what do you think ??? and who owns them now ????
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